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Freakin' ridiculous. But, hey, last I heard there was this shortage of Nvidia 3000 cards. Who knew?ebay last night had a 3080 for $2,000 and a lot are $1,500+
They may not be able to compete but they may be able to compete somewhat in low to mid range and ease the shortage in the market right now with more product! If they make them mining monsters then they can make some money and fund R&D for future chips!Intel won't be competing with AMD or Nivida for at least a decade IF at all.
They may not be able to compete but they may be able to compete somewhat in low to mid range and ease the shortage in the market right now with more product! If they make them mining monsters then they can make some money and fund R&D for future chips!
If the cards that they produce are capable of 1080p gaming as reasonable framerates then I don't see why they cannot compete. Most people are not buying top end cards, but bang for you buck mid-range or lower mid-range cards. I don't think Intel's goal is to beat AMD and nvidia becuase they already sell more GPUs than both of them combined anyway, but none of us want to play games in integrated graphics. If they can get 1050 to 1660 level of performance, they will probably sell quite a few cards.Considering that Intel can't compete in CPUs with 7 mm parts, how can they produce 7 mm GPU parts? And if all they can produce is 10 mm GPU parts, how much can they compete against AMD and Nvidia?
Intel won't be competing with AMD or Nivida for at least a decade IF at all.
Anybody stupid enough to subscribe to that nonsense deserves it.ebay last night had a 3080 for $2,000 and a lot are $1,500+
Don't need to.Intel won't be competing with AMD or Nivida for at least a decade IF at all.
Sure they can. You're only thinking enthusiast top-end, yet majority of GPU buyers are mid-range or lower (think 60 class Nvidia cards and equivalent). If they can at least meet that performance level then they will be fine.Intel won't be competing with AMD or Nivida for at least a decade IF at all.
Definitely a big hole <$400 real cost. Unfortunately by the time Intel comes to the party it maybe too late.Don't need to.
People forget how 'deep' Intel's pockets are.
They really don't have to compete with anybody in the GPU space.
All they need to do is release a GPU with maybe 10-15% less performance than either company and sell it around the $350 price point.
That'll put a dent into both company's sale ...big time.
While most folk here are PC enthusiast, that number represents a very small sector of the overall GPU buyers club.
As to the question of node...Nvidia's 2080Ti with it's blazing fast performance is built on what? ...12nm FFN.
Intel's 10 nm process is more than capable of giving us good GPUs...especially if they don't hamstring themselves with a power requirement.
Maybe...maybe not.Definitely a big hole <$400 real cost. Unfortunately by the time Intel comes to the party it maybe too late.
The biggest question is are the chips made here? If they are they can avoid that 25% price hike.Maybe...maybe not.
Intel has the resources to accelerate a lot more than you'd think.
Clearly, the cards are already in testing.
With their vast resources and the knowledge there is a massive demand ($$$$) I wouldn't put anything to bed just yet.
That seem to be reducing the complexity behind designing the chips (hardware and software), there is a reason TSMC do not make GPUs or anyone else for that market despite the giant market and margin outside Nvidia-AMD, it must be extremely hard to do and not be always a step behind those 2. There is such a vast knowledge (if not patent) behind a modern GPU that trying to make one that will compete with the next iteration of AMD-Nvidia design must be nearly impossible.All the fan boiz saying AMD + Nvidia can't be challenged by Intel, let me raise you this. Neither company fab's their own process; so Intel can just as easily buy TSMC chips. Shame on all 3 of them for that, but that's why none of them deserve glowy-eyes.
As was previously stated...Intel has extremely deep pockets.That seem to be reducing the complexity behind designing the chips (hardware and software), there is a reason TSMC do not make GPUs or anyone else for that market despite the giant market and margin outside Nvidia-AMD, it must be extremely hard to do and not be always a step behind those 2. There is such a vast knowledge (if not patent) behind a modern GPU that trying to make one that will compete with the next iteration of AMD-Nvidia design must be nearly impossible.
That is all the vast majority of the market wants and needs. I want to see a new $200 hero card - good enough performance, a decent upgrade from the $200 cards of 2016, and an affordable price. Most gamers game at 1080p, so it always blows my mind that Nvidia puts so much emphasis on the minority of 4K/QHD gamers. 1080p gamers make them the most money, by far, and are their largest userbase.not the fastest available but fast enough and dirt cheap.
That is all the vast majority of the market wants and needs. I want to see a new $200 hero card - good enough performance, a decent upgrade from the $200 cards of 2016, and an affordable price. Most gamers game at 1080p, so it always blows my mind that Nvidia puts so much emphasis on the minority of 4K/QHD gamers. 1080p gamers make them the most money, by far, and are their largest userbase.
This guy explains it quite well:
While I wait for my 3060 EVGA queue, I'm looking forward to an eventual 3050. Let's see what that offers and at what price - it could become the new value king the 1060 was.
At the volume these sell, let's not pretend that the 3080/3090 are Nvidia's $ baseline savior. They make a lot of money, but they're pretty much non existent in the overall market. Quick GPU install base recap, note how many are the sub-$300 cards (~%42 of all cards on Steam):One return takes the profit margin out of several $200 cards
In a normal climate maybe. In our current climate it will all depend on supply normalizing to demand. None of them need to lower prices at all right now.Gpu prices are not at all dropping. When intel releases gpus, prices might start to trend downwards. Competition.
Roght, that’s why I said mightIn a normal climate maybe. In our current climate it will all depend on supply normalizing to demand. None of them need to lower prices at all right now.
I was lucky to grab a 3080 @ 830+ 3% poverty tax from a microcenter in NJ a few months ago. I was at a car show and told a guy I had one and he instantly offered me a 2080ti 1k cash and this cool corsair mouse. Never accepted a deal so fast in my life. Im hoping they come back down in price so i can get another one =[
For the 3000 they didi sell more than any others on launch according to the Steam survey, but unlike previous popular launch it was not sustained by a ramping up over time.Steam surveys in my eyes are garbage. Did anyone see a Radeon 6000 series at all on that survey? Ahh again NO. Selling out like gangbusters, yet not on survey and 3000 series lightly represented even though Nvidia has sold more inventory on this Series than any others? YA again NO. Besides, a lot of gamers have migrated to other services, specially Epic.
Steam surveys in my eyes are garbage. Did anyone see a Radeon 6000 series at all on that survey? Ahh again NO. Selling out like gangbusters, yet not on survey and 3000 series lightly represented even though Nvidia has sold more inventory on this Series than any others? YA again NO. Besides, a lot of gamers have migrated to other services, specially Epic.
You need a good volume to show up in a steam surveys, they have around 120 million active account now I think, you need 0.15% to show up which is around 180,000 cards.These cards not showing up on Steam surveys just shows that gamers are not the ones grabbing the cards, the miners are.
Except just about every "gamer" with a workable GPU is running nicehash at the moment, even little kids.These cards not showing up on Steam surveys just shows that gamers are not the ones grabbing the cards, the miners are.