Philips BDM4065UC - 40" 4K 60Hz monitor thread

imyourzero said:
Another thought in regard to warranty - keep in mind that many credit card companies offer additional warranty protection as a membership benefit. Discover, for example, would double the manufacturer's warranty on the Seiki and provide an additional year of coverage at no cost. And you have the backing of your credit card company when it comes to the claims process, so you wouldn't be stuck dealing only with Seiki/Philips/etc.

Just thought I'd mention that. But Dahkoht has a point; if the ST warranty is only $40 for 3 years and they'll just reimburse you for the product value in the event of a claim, that seems like a pretty good deal. I don't have any experience with ST but when I read about their services it seemed like the first step involved shipping your item to one of their repair centers for service. Maybe in reality they are more prone to just cut you a check for the value; I don't know.
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Hi Folks,
Just wanted to offer some insight and clarity on this monitor for anyone in USA considering purchasing on eBay and/or purchasing a SquareTrade Warranty.

  • On 04-March I purchased a new BDM4065UC from Korean eBay seller eTradekorea at this link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261698098006
  • After "making an offer" of $850 with the condition that they fully test the monitor for defects+dead/bright pixels+screen uniformity, they counter offered $880 and agreed to test. I accepted.
  • One business day later they shipped the item and it arrived only 3-days later via International Priority Mail to my Bay Area, California address.
  • I paid ZERO customs fees and the item arrived in pristine condition.
  • Before I made the decision to purchase I fully researched the SquareTrade option. Importantly, one can NOT purchase the cheap $40 plan from Amazon - It's only available for Amazon purchases. Instead I purchased a 3-yr warranty for $84 (after a 25% off coupon) that is fully transferable and explicitly covers eBay items with NO valid USA warranty directly from SquareTrade.com <http://www.squaretrade.com/get-warranty>. This is the perfect warranty in that it immediately (after 45 days) fully covers the monitor since there is no Philips USA warranty support (yet). It also provides an additional 2-yrs over the expected Philips 1yr USA warranty (or the Seiki 1yr warranty).
  • edit: One can probably find an unused 25% off coupon for SquareTrade at this link (I did!) https://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/343959-25-discount-codes-for-squaretrade-warranty-purchases-exp-040115-1159pm-pt/#. Note these are vaild only through 01-April-2015
  • eBay buyer protection fully covers the monitor for the first 45 days and if ANY defect arises, the seller must pay for return shipping and send a replacement (or refund). So there was really very little risk of financial loss from doing this trade.
  • I ditched the supplied stand and mounted the panel on my existing Innovative 7000 series monitor arm using the following MountWorld VESA adapter from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Mount-World-Universal-Adapter-Medium/dp/B0036L5RJY/. It mounted flawlessly and is very sleek, totally adjustable, and did not even require the original 100mm VESA bracket (the 50mm holes on the adapter were used to mount it directly to the arm pivot/bracket).
  • I purchased a unique 12-ft DisplayPort cable on eBay for just $7.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/260959927254 that works flawlessly at 4K/60hz SST.
So far I really love this monitor. I'm using it mainly for productivity, design, multimedia, and web/graphics. It is working great with no noticeable lag, good color, no noticeable PWM issues (even at 10% brightness). It's amazing that with my current settings, it only draws 34 watts of power and weighs 4 pounds lighter than my prior 30in Gateway XHD3000 monitor.

I have experienced a few minor (probably Intel HD graphics 4600 driver) issues that I'll save for another post. But overall the experience has been really positive.

I know we are close to the USA amazon release, but if anyone is still looking to 'move now' on this Philips panel. the eBay/Korean option + SquareTrade is still very attractive! :)

Here are a couple of pics:

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Finished Setup (w-LifeCam mounted on right side via custom bracket)

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This if fantastic, clean mounting :cool:. But is it not too high over the desk (upper hallf of the dusplay seems then too high wrt natural head position)? How it would feel if lowered close to the desk?
 
KazeoHin said:
Awesome, can you try to see if it will run 120(ish) Hz on 1080p/1440p?
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I thought this was a 30/60Hz only display? The only supported frequency above 60Hz I can find in the manual is 75Hz, which is only shown at 1440x900 or lower...
 
samuelmorris said:
I thought this was a 30/60Hz only display? The only supported frequency above 60Hz I can find in the manual is 75Hz, which is only shown at 1440x900 or lower...
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Some monitors allow overclocking via custom resolution settings. It's not unheard of for some 4K screens to allow higher refreshes at lower resolutions.
 
Hi all,

I had this monitor for almost 14 days but returned it ... I had bought it for 739 euro at
http://www.monitorstore.be/product/...5uc.html?_ga=1.217088351.836279469.1427716497

Why return ?
It's good if you realy need a big screen for work & internet stuff but when I started gaming after a week of normal use I was dissapointed.
My 120hz laptop screen was so much smoother (even non gaming).
I realised that size is not essential for me, if I move my old 26" closer I get almost the same field of view...
So now I'm sure I prefer a good smooth G-sync monitor with >60hz vs 40" size.
It will be the Acer Predator XB270HU 27" G-Sync IPS 144Hz that is in stock at amazon.de or more likely I'll wait for the future Acer Predator XR341CK 34-inch curved 21:9-gaming monitor G-Sync 144 Hz.
Ofcourse a 40" 4k with >60hz + gsync would be even better but that will not happen soon...
 
Chrisv006 said:
That is a poor performer, burn in on a LED? I think you got a bad panel.
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Have had mine for 1 and half months and I still haven't gotten any burn in, obviously this can change from user to user, due to different usage scenarios, but yeah my experience (had a VA before), is that burn in is very hard to happen, and in the monitor that it happened on (only happened once), was not really burn in, just slight image retention which went away relatively easy.

Kinawa said:
Hi all,

I had this monitor for almost 14 days but returned it ... I had bought it for 739 euro at
http://www.monitorstore.be/product/...5uc.html?_ga=1.217088351.836279469.1427716497

Why return ?
It's good if you realy need a big screen for work & internet stuff but when I started gaming after a week of normal use I was dissapointed.
My 120hz laptop screen was so much smoother (even non gaming).
I realised that size is not essential for me, if I move my old 26" closer I get almost the same field of view...
So now I'm sure I prefer a good smooth G-sync monitor with >60hz vs 40" size.
It will be the Acer Predator XB270HU 27" G-Sync IPS 144Hz that is in stock at amazon.de or more likely I'll wait for the future Acer Predator XR341CK 34-inch curved 21:9-gaming monitor G-Sync 144 Hz.
Ofcourse a 40" 4k with >60hz + gsync would be even better but that will not happen soon...
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Beware that the XR341CK will have one problem, which is due to the native resolution, getting it at the 144hz will be significantly more demanding than a 4k screen, which is already very demanding, now the monitor has gsync so while it will always be smoother than a 4k, it is also going to be very hard to drive it at 144hz at his native resolution, unlike the XB270HU which is more or less as demanding as a 4k.
 
burn-in is, curiously, in the manual - it advises you not to leave static images on the screen and use a screensaver - I haven't seen that since CRT days...
 
Micael said:
Have had mine for 1 and half months and I still haven't gotten any burn in, obviously this can change from user to user, due to different usage scenarios, but yeah my experience (had a VA before), is that burn in is very hard to happen, and in the monitor that it happened on (only happened once), was not really burn in, just slight image retention which went away relatively easy.




Beware that the XR341CK will have one problem, which is due to the native resolution, getting it at the 144hz will be significantly more demanding than a 4k screen, which is already very demanding, now the monitor has gsync so while it will always be smoother than a 4k, it is also going to be very hard to drive it at 144hz at his native resolution, unlike the XB270HU which is more or less as demanding as a 4k.
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I realise that my gtx980 will not give 144fps in ultra wide but I read reviews that said even at lower fps a 144hz is smoother because the waiting time to the next displayed screen is less than half of a 60hz. So less stutter because the "late" image is not stored as long in buffer. Ad G sync to this and the reviewer said you get butter smooth gaming at >40 fps. And for less demanding thing, even non gaming, it will be very smooth at 144hz. Moving a window on my 120hz asus gaming laptop is much nicer to look at than on any 60hz. But at reasonable settings I got +-40fps or more an the 4k so I'm not worried too much about that.
Anyway I change gpu more often than monitors ;-)
 
So far, some brief opinions:

- 40" really was, just a little bit too big for my desk - the thing's enormous :p
- Don't underestimate the glossiness of the screen - this is a bit of a nightmare when there's any natural light in your room - I can see myself in the black of the hardforum quite clearly.
- The power LED is really annoying, I'm going to need to tape over it.
- I have one dead pixel
- The ghosting is pretty severe, it might take a while to get used to that
- Viewing angles are a bit of a pain, but livable.

On the whole it's a very nice display for video/gaming, which is part of the reason for upgrading, but I'm genuinely not sure whether it was really the right move or not from my UP3214Q for desktop use. The main reason for going 40" versus another 32 like the Samsung was to ease eye-strain on the desktop and given the reflectivity, viewing angle and ghosting issues, I'm not sure if it's better for that or not. Having a lower DPI at 4K also brings back cleartype as a potential issue.

Definitely going to need to keep the UP3214Q to one side for a while and do some thinking - I don't want the pain of MST to come back, but at the same time, I'm going to miss its IPS-like features and dare I say it, its anti-glare.
 
wirk said:
This if fantastic, clean mounting :cool:. But is it not too high over the desk (upper hallf of the dusplay seems then too high wrt natural head position)? How it would feel if lowered close to the desk?
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Yes, the Innovative 7000 arm is fully height adjustable with a pneumatic air-damped mechanism, so the monitor could be lowered down to be flush with the desk (or raised higher for demonstration purposes). I raised it up for the photo to show the desk mount. :)
 
I got tired of my original order getting pushed back repeatedly and seeing the stated shipping date come and pass with a new project delivery now set to the 20th of April thus I have made a new order (at a seller which when I made my original order could not give a delivery date). Made the new order earlier today and now the monitor is in shipping and if there is no mishaps it will arrive tomorrow (it is shipped from Norway so there is a few miles for it to cover).:)

I haven't ordered a monitor arm for it yet as I wanna see the screen on my desk first, but I expect one will be needed so I have researched a bit during which I stumbled upon a possible cheaper way to get the Ergotron LX arm that seems the preferred choice here. Instead of the $148 it costs you can chose to get a HP branded Ergotron for $89 (+$10 shipping) and except for being black they seem to be identical - just look for "HP Single Monitor Arm".
 
I had it pre-ordered with one UK site, then on the due date they then said 'now expected 28th May' - to hell with that I thought, and cancelled it - by pure chance I spotted two left on OcUK so promptly ordered. Went through absolute hell with amazon payments and had to buy a second one and cancel that one as they refused to pass the funds to the retailer, so until my refunds arrived, I've paid for three of the damn things... :S

I'm not finding the lack of stand adjustment an issue yet as it's at almost the perfect height for me as it stands. I think perhaps I just need a slightly higher chair!

I would like to know if anybody's found a way of improving ghosting (SmartResponse made it worse, if anything) though, as that is bugging me when playing videos. Oddly, games don't seem to be so bad as of yet, but I don't like the fact that I can't see anything that moves as it's so blurry.
 
Kinawa said:
I realise that my gtx980 will not give 144fps in ultra wide but I read reviews that said even at lower fps a 144hz is smoother because the waiting time to the next displayed screen is less than half of a 60hz. So less stutter because the "late" image is not stored as long in buffer. Ad G sync to this and the reviewer said you get butter smooth gaming at >40 fps. And for less demanding thing, even non gaming, it will be very smooth at 144hz. Moving a window on my 120hz asus gaming laptop is much nicer to look at than on any 60hz. But at reasonable settings I got +-40fps or more an the 4k so I'm not worried too much about that.
Anyway I change gpu more often than monitors ;-)
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Yeah as I said it's going to be a smoother experience, since even without gsync you are always going to get more fps's than at 4k, but just something to be aware, if the goal is to really reach the 144hz right now, doing it on the ultrawide is going to be significantly harder, and yeah if you're used to 120hz, going for 60hz is already not a great experience, and if you do go for 60hz you really need to go for those 60fps, since everything bellow that is going to be extra noticeable when you're used to 120hz (even when you're used to 60fps really).
 
I never thought this would happen, but I cancelled my order for the Philips. Going with the curved 40" Samsung 4K TV from the "Samesung" thread instead. I was tired of waiting, though that wasn't the primary issue. I know that most people have been happy with these, but Michelvw's review really toned down my enthusiasm. Reports for the Samsungs so far have been incredibly positive. I just wanted to mention this as an alternative to the Philips because many of my US brethren have been waiting...and waiting...and waiting.

It was $150 more for the model I chose, but offers the following advantages:

- Curved screen (I'm hoping this will eliminate the color shift in the corners that people have been describing on the Philips)
- It can serve double duty as a 4K TV
- No or very minimal PWM until very low brightness settings, unlike the Philips
- Input lag in PC mode is reported to be very impressive (21ms)
- It'll be nice to have a remote vs. using hard to reach/manipulate buttons
- It's actually available now in the US. No more waiting! :)

Text sharpness and image quality are very important to me, so my fingers are crossed that it doesn't disappoint there. These are confirmed to support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, so in theory the text should be just as it appears on a PC monitor. I cannot and will not tolerate anything less.
 
Input lag on the Philips is, as far as I recall, 21ms as well, so that shouldn't be difficult. However, I agree the ergonomics of the on-rear control column are dire - exacerbated perhaps by the fact I can't reach mine without standing up due to how much desk space it takes up! I don't think the PWM is an issue, but I am having eye strain issues today with it, possibly because I'm focusing on everything so hard to get the fonts set up right. I also haven't found an ideal brightness setting yet, but it will be pretty low - 20% or so mostly suffices for me.

I'll be brutally honest, if I'd have had the money I would have just bought the Samsung U32D97KQSR - I'm still very much an IPS/PLS (or IGZO) man. The VA in the Philips is reasonable as VA panels go, but I can still easily tell the difference. Fact of the matter is though, it's literally half the price. I may have paid a fortune for the UP3214Q by comparison (£1850 odd when they first come out - even after my £900 trade discount! - versus £700 for the Philips, even after OcUK put the price up due to becoming the only UK seller with stock, and £1300 or so for the Samsung), but then that's the point - after spending that much I'm not in a position to do so again this time. I'll see how I get on with it, if I like it enough to sell the UP3214Q then maybe one day I'll try out a Samsung instead. It's nice to have the extra screen space, but I'm definitely going to need to reorganise my desk space to properly accommodate it.
 
Cyph said:
If Samsung had a non-curved screen, I'd bite. I think it's gimmicky.
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Are you talking about the Samsung curved 21:9 monitor or the Samsung 4K TVs such as the one I ordered? If it's the latter, they do make many flat versions along with the curved models.

Regardless, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but as someone who has used both the flat LG 34" ultrawide and the Dell 34" curved ultrawide, I prefer the curve. It adds a little bit of immersion when gaming and makes things on the outer edges of these wide displays slightly easier to see.

Plenty of other people feel the way you do, but if you do enough reading here and on Amazon, generally once they make the jump to a curved panel they prefer it to the flat ones.
 
SuperMar1o said:
exactly which model did you get?
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I went with the UN40JU6700. One person in that thread got the UN48JU7500 (curved); another went with the UN48JU6500 (flat) but I was concerned that 48" would be much too large so I went with the 40" curved. My old 37" Westy was about as large as I'd want for a PC monitor, but of course it was only 1080p and ancient by today's standards.

Generally, the people going with the 48" screens are sitting roughly 4 feet away and at that distance, it's probably fine. Those of us who sit around 2 feet away are mostly considering the 40" models.
 
imyourzero said:
I went with the UN40JU6700. One person in that thread got the UN48JU7500 (curved); another went with the UN48JU6500 (flat) but I was concerned that 48" would be much too large so I went with the 40" curved. My old 37" Westy was about as large as I'd want for a PC monitor, but of course it was only 1080p and ancient by today's standards.

Generally, the people going with the 48" screens are sitting roughly 4 feet away and at that distance, it's probably fine. Those of us who sit around 2 feet away are mostly considering the 40" models.
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Is there any info about whether it's 4:4:4 at 60hz or if it has bad input lag?
 
imyourzero said:
I never thought this would happen, but I cancelled my order for the Philips. Going with the curved 40" Samsung 4K TV from the "Samesung" thread instead. I was tired of waiting, though that wasn't the primary issue. I know that most people have been happy with these, but Michelvw's review really toned down my enthusiasm. Reports for the Samsungs so far have been incredibly positive. I just wanted to mention this as an alternative to the Philips because many of my US brethren have been waiting...and waiting...and waiting.

It was $150 more for the model I chose, but offers the following advantages:

- Curved screen (I'm hoping this will eliminate the color shift in the corners that people have been describing on the Philips)
- It can serve double duty as a 4K TV
- No or very minimal PWM until very low brightness settings, unlike the Philips
- Input lag in PC mode is reported to be very impressive (21ms)
- It'll be nice to have a remote vs. using hard to reach/manipulate buttons
- It's actually available now in the US. No more waiting! :)

Text sharpness and image quality are very important to me, so my fingers are crossed that it doesn't disappoint there. These are confirmed to support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, so in theory the text should be just as it appears on a PC monitor. I cannot and will not tolerate anything less.
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Thanks for posting this - and a couple of Qs: :)
  • Is there a displayPort 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 adapter/cable that would work with this monitor's inputs?
  • Does this UN40JU6700 have square (1:1) pixels? Or are they horizontally stretched like the Philips?
  • Will this monitor properly go into a low-power "sleep mode" when connected to a PC on standby?
  • What size VESA mount is on the back? (200x200?)
  • What type of panel does it have? Does the ghosting issue exist on this? How do black levels compare to the Philips?
Thanks in advance for any answers here! :)
 
meraki1990 said:
Looks like Amazon no longer offers this monitor...
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Weird. It showed them as a seller earlier today. Maybe they've filled their allowable quota for this item since it needs to be ordered from the manufacturer and they're not allowed to overwhelm them or something. I'm sure it'll come back once they start shipping more to North America.
 
I once again evaluated the size of monitor which would feel most comfortable for me. This time I did it experimentally with my Samsung 27" 1440p which has the same pixel density as Philips.

Samsung also has fully adjustable height setting so I changed the height to the level which would correspond to the upper edge screen position of the 40" lowered down to touch the desk. The effect I felt with productivity applications was really odd: the upper part of the screen is then too high, kind of straining eyes by light coming from the upper display area when eyes are directed at the center. For looking at the upper part of the screen, eyes have to move up so there is no 'one look up' on the display, this is not very convenient. The effect persist when display is moved at bigger distance (not very big one).

I then started lowering down the display to find where is the maximal height which is not no casuing those effects and found that the height then corresponds to the size of a 32" monitor lowered down to touch the desk, including bezel width at the bottom.

It looks thus that at least for me the 40" is too big for typical productivity, situation might be different with gaming and highly visual professional applications but this is not my priority. I will make additional tests to make the final judgement.
 
imyourzero said:
I went with the UN40JU6700..
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what type of panel do these flat models have? Are they IPS, PLS, TN or something different for TVs?

And how does the color compare to the philips VA panel?

I came from a LG 31MU97 to the philips and kept it because of its sheer size even though the colors wernt as vivid. Wondering if the Samsung would be better in the color department?
 
shadow85 said:
I came from a LG 31MU97 to the philips and kept it because of its sheer size even though the colors wernt as vivid. Wondering if the Samsung would be better in the color department?
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How about comparing the LG and Philips? Picture quality, issues?
 
wirk said:
How about comparing the LG and Philips? Picture quality, issues?
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Well the LG had an outstanding panel, so the picture quality was incredible. But I kept the philips because the sheer size is much more immersive for gaming. the VA panel is not bad but it doesnt have as good colors as the LG so that's why I am asking about the Samsung TV, what sort of panels do they use and what is the color quality and fidelity like in comparison to the philips?

If it has better color and more vividness than the philips I may sell my philips for the Samsung TV, I don't know much about TVs as a monitor and their panels.
 
The LG 31MU97 is a wide gamut monitor with GB-r Backlight, unless set to sRGB emulation it is going to look more saturated than any display with WLED backlight, no matter the panel.
The Samsung TV's use the same Samsung VA matrix as their curved monitors - at least the subpixels of the models tested on hdtvtest.co.uk look identical.
The native contrast of the Samsung VA is about half of the Philips, but they should have local dimming to make up for that, and other postprocessing stuff "Auto Depth Enhancer" "PurColor", certainly gonna be very vivid (probably increasing the input lag though)
 
shadow85 said:
Well the LG had an outstanding panel, so the picture quality was incredible. But I kept the philips because the sheer size is much more immersive for gaming. the VA panel is not bad but it doesnt have as good colors as the LG so that's why I am asking about the Samsung TV, what sort of panels do they use and what is the color quality and fidelity like in comparison to the philips?
If it has better color and more vividness than the philips I may sell my philips for the Samsung TV, I don't know much about TVs as a monitor and their panels.
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How about black levels in the LG? Was there any problem with getting 4096 resolution to work on Windows?
 
wirk said:
I once again evaluated the size of monitor which would feel most comfortable for me. This time I did it experimentally with my Samsung 27" 1440p which has the same pixel density as Philips.

<SNIP>

It looks thus that at least for me the 40" is too big for typical productivity, situation might be different with gaming and highly visual professional applications but this is not my priority. I will make additional tests to make the final judgement.
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If you can then rotate your 27" to portrait orientationas that make it just as high as the 40" in landscape orientation and it will give you a true feel for it. At work I run two 27"'s with one in either orientation and at first the one in portrait did feel too high, but now I find it really great.
 
imyourzero said:
I never thought this would happen, but I cancelled my order for the Philips.

- No or very minimal PWM until very low brightness settings, unlike the Philips
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My reading of that thread led me to the opposite conclusion. Reports are that the PWM on that Samsung TV is 120Hz, and that there is still PWM even at full brightness.
 
igluk said:
The native contrast of the Samsung VA is about half of the Philips, but they should have local dimming to make up for that, and other postprocessing stuff "Auto Depth Enhancer" "PurColor", certainly gonna be very vivid (probably increasing the input lag though)
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In the Samsung TV forum I think people are stating the TV to have an input lag of approx. 21ms which is about the same as the Philips.

So they use VA also, hmm I may need to go into a store and check them out.

wirk said:
How about black levels in the LG? Was there any problem with getting 4096 resolution to work on Windows?
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Well the black levels wernt as good as the philips because of its VA panel, but it was still very good. And I was using Windows 8.1 so scaling was very good with the 4096 res. and I didn't have any problems with it @ 60Hz.

Also to my surprise many games naturally supported the 4096x2160 resolution, I was assuming that i would have had to use alot of stuffing around and 3rd party software to get that res working in games but I rarley had to that which was nice, maybe only 1-2 games needed it out of the 10+ games I tried.
 
JTB3 said:
Thanks for posting this - and a couple of Qs: :)
  • Is there a displayPort 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 adapter/cable that would work with this monitor's inputs? According to this post, one does not exist (but I haven't researched it myself).
  • Does this UN40JU6700 have square (1:1) pixels? Or are they horizontally stretched like the Philips? I believe I read recently that all TV panels have non-square pixels; if that's true then I doubt these would be an exception. BUT, it hasn't been an issue for the vast majority of people (it's difficult or impossible for most people to discern that very slight level of stretching).
  • Will this monitor properly go into a low-power "sleep mode" when connected to a PC on standby? I believe they said that there is an auto-off setting which can be configured to turn the display off after 15 minutes, so it doesn't happen instantly after the monitor stops receiving an input signal.
  • What size VESA mount is on the back? (200x200?) Yep. I made a chart to help clarify the differences between the various models; I'll post it below.
  • What type of panel does it have? Does the ghosting issue exist on this? How do black levels compare to the Philips? VA panel, and I'm not sure how the ghosting and black levels compare (I do not have the Samsung yet and I've never seen the Philips).
Thanks in advance for any answers here! :)
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Here's the chart I mentioned that helps decipher some specs:


shadow85 said:
what type of panel do these flat models have? Are they IPS, PLS, TN or something different for TVs?

And how does the color compare to the philips VA panel?

I came from a LG 31MU97 to the philips and kept it because of its sheer size even though the colors wernt as vivid. Wondering if the Samsung would be better in the color department?
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See above; they use VA panels. Again, not sure on color/blur/etc. comparisons because I never got a chance to use the Philips and I do not yet have the Samsung in my possession.

However, Ziran posted this about his Samsung:

"I am just using standard settings the monitor came with (no calibration) and all the fancy stuff gets disabled in PC mode anyway. The colors looks excellent. The blacks themselves look as deep or better then BL3200PT"

That's good news to me because my BL3200PT had awesome blacks. I don't know how they compare to the Philips, which has an even better contrast ratio though.

Oh, and SixFootDuo had this to say:

"I have a BenQ 32" right next to the new 48" curved and it really does make the 32" look like a 2 or 3 year old monitor. In fact. it looks washed out a bit and dull.

The colors, the blacks, the contrast, the gloss makes this display just POP. Looks incredible."
 
shadow85 said:
In the Samsung TV forum I think people are stating the TV to have an input lag of approx. 21ms which is about the same as the Philips.
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Yeah, I meant that some of the postprocessing bling bling of TVs can increase input lag, and those options are usually greyed out in [Game] mode with the lowest input lag.
But this concerns mostly stuff for movies like local dimming, motion enhancement etc. Should not have an effect on colors.

This is from hdtvtest review of the flagship 65'' model:
" In [Game] mode, the UE65JS9500 returned an astonishingly low input lag measurement of 21.4ms from a Leo Bodnar device.
There’s some deterioration in picture quality (no local dimming or judder-free 24fps playback, among others), but that’s how game mode works: it cuts off unnecessary video processing to boost controller-to-screen response time. We believe that responsiveness takes precedence over PQ for competitive gaming especially in reflex-based games (e.g. first-person shooters), but if you’re a casual gamer who prefers eye candy, input lag figures in [Movie] and [PC] modes were at 78ms and 65ms respectively."
 
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