Who designed the heat sink push pin mechanism on the core 2 dous?

Intel should take notes from Zalmans 9700 cooler. I like that setup a lot better. Then we would have more law suits blah blah blah....

The clip design is not that bad, just a PITA to get off sometimes.
 
Whoever loves the push-pin type should be taken to a cliff and shot and push over the cliff. Hate it the most...clip works much much better than pin.
 
Shitty design. When you break one of the pins your out $15 bucks to replace the heatsink which I have had to do. The 478 was a much better way of doing it. Also one thing I do not like about 775 is when you push down you hear a snap noise which means you have it in place but all common sense tells you to never snap things in a motherboard!
 
I've always had problems with the pins popping back out, even though they appeared to be in and sturdy for a few hours. One day I looked in there and half of them managed to come back out on their own.

All I can say is thank GOD I use a bolt down system now.
 
TheSmJ said:
I've always had problems with the pins popping back out, even though they appeared to be in and sturdy for a few hours. One day I looked in there and half of them managed to come back out on their own.

All I can say is thank GOD I use a bolt down system now.
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This, I hate the push pin design!! It took me several tries to get it all down haha.. makes me really want to go back to amd just for the heatsink design :rolleyes:
 
Id rather deal with screws than push pins.....rosewill's design places the thread bolts on the back of the motherboard with a bracket....stays on there with a moderate adhesive...then its eas to unscrew the hsf from the motherboard without removing the motherboard from the case....
 
UtopiA said:
Excuse me for being entitled to my own opinion.
I'm not trolling anyone.

But, I agree with you in the sense that I'm probably one of the few people who actually like the push-pin design.
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I also like the push-pin design. (I said so in my review of the Celeron DC E1200 @ newegg.com.) The majority of those that have spoken out *against* push-pins are also those that favor screws or more *traditional* fasteners (mainly used in third-party coolers).
The push-pin design is actually MUCH easier than how Intel's S478 HSFs typically go on (I came to LGA775 from S478). The gripes I read about the push-pins are mostly that it's TOO easy and too simple (in short, complicated = better).

Not in this case.

I have my Celeron DC E1200 overcranked to 2.66 GHz and an FSB of 1333 MHz (compared to 1.6 GHz and 800 MHz FSB at stock), push pins and all.

Bone-stock cooling, complete with push pins, and I have a one gigahertz overcrank?

Sounds like Intel did something RIGHT with the stock HSF (complete with push-pins).
 
-SHiFT- said:
For even weight distribution you should be pushing in two opposite corners at once. So it would be more liek "CLICK, CLICK" ;)
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QFT

This is actually *explicitly stated* in Intel's documentation! (Specifically, it's in the illustration on pp. 12-13 of the Celeron DC manual.)

There's also a video of it on Intel's website.

Apparently someone actually bothered to RTFM (that came with their processor).
 
bAMtan2 said:
not to mention not reading the instructions which are included RIGHT IN THE BOX
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Pages 12 and 13, to be precise.

Maybe it's because I came to LGA775 from S478 (which had HSFs which had a MUCH worse installation routine!) which is why I actually BOTHERED to read the free manual (I knew I was going in cold).
 
Joe Average said:
I don't get why people can't figure the damned things out, geez... ;)

They're easy once you get it figured out, after that it's a piece of cake. Turn the black portion as far counter-clockwise as possible (that usually means left when looking down on the fan) on all 4 posts, then insert the white posts through the mobo and squeeze. Then go one at a time applying pressure to the black portion down onto the post, that causes the "pin" to slip into the white posts and expand, holding it in place.

As you're pushing down, start a slight clockwise twist 90 degrees (that means to the right when looking down on the fan) and when it stops, you're done with that post. One corner to the opposite corner to get it firm on the CPU itself, then the other corners and that's that.

I can install one in under a minute nowadays. Yes, the very first one a few years ago was a pooch screw but after that it's never been an issue again. And heaven's, don't do the clockwise full twist and then push - that causes an incredibly loud snap and a shitload of shock force on the board if you're thinking that's the way to do it. I don't even need tools to install one...

Of course, that's with the mobo and HSF not mounted yet so... you folks aren't actually mounting a HSF like these on a CPU/mobo that's already screwed down in a case, are you? Rookie errors... sheesh... ;) CPU/mobo/HSF put together before you put it in, people... if you're replacing a HSF for some reason, take the mobo out, much simpler than potentially destroying it from trying to apply excessive pressure or damaging it or components.

Really, I don't get the difficulty...
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That's likely why you have all the gripes and complaints about the push-pin design; they are being installed on already-mounted (in the case) motherboards!

Nobody that has a clue (not EVGA, not ASUS, not Intel themselves) recommends mounting either CPU or HSF *after* mounting the motherboard; instead, they recommend mounting the CPU and HSF *before* mounting the mobo in the case.

I never, never, never, mount the motherboard before mounting the processor/HSF; if I have to replace a CPU/HSF in an existing system, the mobo gets pulled first.

And in the cases of EVGA, ASUS, and Intel, I'm referring to their mobo documentation (all three publish the mobo docs as PDF files, and then hang them online; it's thus relatively simple to get an advance look at the documentation for any motherboard you're about to buy or work on).
 
it goes on and comes off easy, my issue is i dont trust it from popping out a corner on its own
 
astyler said:
I break the pins often. They should ditch the pins and the clips and have nuts and bolts similar to water cooling mounts
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then you're spending too much time at the gym - the push-pins go So Easy

what a master stroke of genius! for generic builds, I especially love them

it makes the stock Intel hsf so much easier than ever to install and remove
 
Intel can be smart. They came up with the Xeon style HS mount that bolts straight on to the chassis - THE most secure and it really seems like an obvious approach to good HS mounting design.

They really skimp on the desktop side with that cheap plastic push pin crap. I absolutely refuse to use that garbage and I buy a back plate/bolt through kit -by default- when buying an Intel motherboard.
 
I love my Freezer 7 Pro but I can't stand the push pins anymore. Yesterday, I went to redo the pencil mod on my mobo because I noticed that some vdrop came back. I gently put my computer on its side and did the mod. After running Prime95 for a few minutes I noticed a loud noise that sounded like my computer was flatlining. I thought I had penciled in something wrong until I opened up Realtemp and saw that my cpu temps were rising from 60C to 70C and then to 100C before my computer shutdown. I soon found out that two pins popped out when I moved my computer. Now I have to buy some thermal compound and reseat the heatsink.
 
If the pins popped out when you moved your pc gently, then you either damaged them installing it, or didn't install it properly in the first place.
 
Sometimes the pushpins work flawless, and make you think it is a genius design, but sometimes you get a h/s with pins that don't work for shit, and you hate your life by the time you get all 4 in
 
+1 for hate them.

They work ok at first, but I've had them stop clicking and holding in place for some usage. I'd much rather have clips or just screws.
 
Does anyone at [H] actually use intel stock heatsinks? No? So quit yer bitchin. :D

TRUE/Ultima90 and probably lots of other heatsinks use bolt-through replacements for the pushpins, and they work just fine. If you don't like the pushpins, use a different heatsink.
 
Logan321 said:
Does anyone at [H] actually use intel stock heatsinks? No? So quit yer bitchin. :D

TRUE/Ultima90 and probably lots of other heatsinks use bolt-through replacements for the pushpins, and they work just fine. If you don't like the pushpins, use a different heatsink.
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qft

I have not used a stock cooler for Intel for 8 years now. Zalman keeps getting my money :)
 
This thing was fucking scary to install when I was building a friends computer.

I couldn't get the 4th pin in, as hard as I tried.

I rotated it, tried again, and it clicked in. It still took a huge amount of force though. :confused:


Even my TRUE was less strenuous to install. In fact, it was pretty easy, and I knew that it was not goin anywhere.
 
headless said:
If the pins popped out when you moved your pc gently, then you either damaged them installing it, or didn't install it properly in the first place.
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I probably loosened the pins before because I've been moving and opening my comp up recently for cable management, pencil mod, installing HDDs, fans, and fan controller. I guess when it comes to computers I need something that's idiot proof because I'm still new to building computers.

Logan321 said:
Does anyone at [H] actually use intel stock heatsinks? No? So quit yer bitchin. :D

TRUE/Ultima90 and probably lots of other heatsinks use bolt-through replacements for the pushpins, and they work just fine. If you don't like the pushpins, use a different heatsink.
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I'm not using the stock Intel HS and never bothered installing it. I'm using a Freezer 7 pro. It's not the best but it does a very good job for its price. The only thing I hate about it is the push-pin system. I ordered a Thermalright 775 bolt-thru kit and will modify my HS as soon as it comes in.
 
Who ever designed it owes me about to pints of blood - it is not hard to push them in - if your HS is tiny but anything bigger and if you have man hands..you have to jam them under rows and rows of razor sharp fins of aluminum...snap, click shit my hand!
 
Strangely, it seems the smaller one with the new 45nms is MUCH harder to get on versus the older larger one. I found this out when I was desperate to replace my even more difficult to install freezer 7! :rolleyes:
 
I have the stock on HSF on my secondary pc with a e8400, I am thinking of replacing it as I just do not trust the push pins. The first time I tried to install it was a huge pain, I think I have a handle on it know and its not nearly as bad, but I just don't trust it. My Tuniq Tower on my q9650 was so easily to install. The bracket has an adhessive that ataches it to the motherboard. All thats left to do is position the hsf and use the thumb screws to hold it down. Keeps my 9650 at a very cool 28c idle and 46c load at 3.97ghz
 
Oh man,
Two or three days after I quit smoking cigs I was trying to remove the stock c2q hs from my asus rampage formula. I feel really bad I was at my parents house over break at the time as I exposed them to language I doubt they had heard before, and just about threw the mobo/HS out my window.

I will never use push pins again

groebuck said:
Who ever designed it owes me about to pints of blood - it is not hard to push them in - if your HS is tiny but anything bigger and if you have man hands..you have to jam them under rows and rows of razor sharp fins of aluminum...snap, click shit my hand!
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No kidding, after developing an interest in PC's was the first time I started hating having big hands/being tall. Sharp metal (metalsmithing major and pc enthusiast) combined with my size combined with my taste for ganja = lots of cuts :p
 
I don't really understand why they are so hated... once you understand exactly how they work it takes no time or effort to get them to work. Using them on my S1283 right now.. work great.
 
criccio said:
I don't really understand why they are so hated... once you understand exactly how they work it takes no time or effort to get them to work. Using them on my S1283 right now.. work great.
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Thank you.

Still don't understand why people have so much trouble with these - turn your board over, if the black plastic is at the end of the white plastic, the push-pin is in. If it's not, push harder, or twist the pin and try again. Rinse

To remove, simply twist and pull up.
 
JaYp146 said:
Thank you.

Still don't understand why people have so much trouble with these - turn your board over, if the black plastic is at the end of the white plastic, the push-pin is in. If it's not, push harder, or twist the pin and try again. Rinse

To remove, simply twist and pull up.
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^I don't have experience with bolt thru kits (still waiting for mine to come), but they seem easier to install/remove. And when you have them installed, you know for a fact that it won't come loose.
 
i hate having to take my motherboard in and out of the case and the push-pins are easy as pie, however the amd lever system is pretty snazzy
 
chinesepiratefood said:
Sometimes the pushpins work flawless, and make you think it is a genius design, but sometimes you get a h/s with pins that don't work for shit, and you hate your life by the time you get all 4 in
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ok, ok, I know what I said <above> so for the record, I never use the stock HSF on MY PC :p
 
My Thermalright 775 bolt-thru kit and Arctic Silver 5 just came in. Took me about 30-40mins to remove my motherboard, replace the push pins, reseat the HSF, and reinstall the motherboard. Overall, I am completely happy with the bolt-thru kit. My HSF feels so much more secure. I can literally grab the HSF with it attached to the mobo and swing it around and it won't fall off.
 
Logan321 said:
Does anyone at [H] actually use intel stock heatsinks? No? So quit yer bitchin. :D

TRUE/Ultima90 and probably lots of other heatsinks use bolt-through replacements for the pushpins, and they work just fine. If you don't like the pushpins, use a different heatsink.
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I've used ONE aftermarket HSF for a system I built (which wasn't for me; the owner supplied the HSF); the P4s I built for myself and my mom (and the LGA775s I've built, including my own) all have stock HSFs, push-pins and all.

So there ARE folks (even at [H]) that will use stock heatsinks, even those with the Dreaded Push-Pin.
 
Lol reading thru the whole thread provided plenty of laffos.

I personally think there is nothing wrong with the pushpins. I'm sorry to say if you are doing it with a loud pop, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG! I think most of you who are complaining are installing the sink in the locked in position. Plus word to the guy who stated a real truth, who uses a stock heatsink on [H] anyways?

About old styles of mounting sinks. As shitty as the socket A is, I never had a problem with it and I easily have mount-and-unmounted 30 of those throughout. It really does give a sense of accomplishment :D
The new S939/AM2/3 brackets are great and easy to use, only downfall is tower sinks can only be oriented one way.

The S478 method was great, until you had to take the damn thing off.
I've done maybe 5 or 6 LGA775 builds, one was in a Shuttle XPC... didn't have a problem. The XPC took two times too because there was a DOA part and had to do testing to identify the part.

to ivandurago: I feel ya, sucks to work on any computer with big hands, and my hands aren't even that big. Some of those space tolerances are really tight, and the cheap sharp cases really hurts. Same story with cars.
 
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