Eh, I dunno. My son got a Flip 3 last year and likes it. Admittedly, the built-in screen protector started to delaminate a bit along the crease in July, so we took it in for replacement, but the screen itself wasn't damaged any, he hasn't had any issues with the hinge, and he says he likes the phone.
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Haven't you seen Dick Tracy? Sounds horrible.
I don't have an overheating issue with my 15 Pro Max, even when playing 3D games or rendering 4k projects or shooting ProRes video. It gets lukewarm at the very worst, and cold most of the day with normal use. Doesn't get hot while charging on my 30 watt USB C charger either. Just because an issue is being reported doesn't mean everyone is experiencing it. I can talk about exploding Samsung batteries if you like, since that's a far more pressing concern, but that didn't affect everyone either.
I mean really the iPhone 15 throttles at the same temperature as the 8 and up, it's 46 degrees, which is still cooler than the inner temperature of a rare steak which is 52.
46 degrees is the throttling temperature give or take a degree of just about every mobile phone there is.
The 15 hits that temperature slower than its predecessors and cools down faster from that state than them as well.
Thermal limits weren't a significant issue on the 14 and they only improved on it so I can't see why it would suddenly be a deal breaker.
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I'm surprised that people want this over qwerty slide out phones. I'd rather have that over a phone that turns into a mini tablet. The Flip is pretty cool because it can fit easier into a pocket while turning into a full candy bar phone. The problem is the Flip phones are flipping expensive.
I'm still waiting on tests to see how this effects real world performance. The dude that did the test for iPhone 14 is busy reviewing Android 14.
I don't think he types a hell of a lot on the phone--it's mostly used for music & videos, and gboard/the samsung keyboard are mostly good enough for that, Samsung's penchant for weird word guesses notwithstanding.
It doesn't affect me because I don't have that issue. But if the phone is throttling, it's going to be dog turd slow and not useable, as with any device that is overheating. As for the flip, my cousin loves those phones. My OCD wouldn't allow me to stare at that crease in the middle every time I'm using it open, though
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Kind of find it funny that we just have to have this fanboyism on both sides of every issue. AMD, Nvidia. Apple, Windows. Windows, Linux. AMD, Intel (pretty quiet on that front though). Samsung and Apple.
Right now, I actually do have an S23 Ultra. But I only got it because I was tired of iOS's limitations and it was the best phone I could buy on a 0% interest payment plan (because a 0% interest loan is a pretty big money savings). Before that, I had an iPhone, and I used that iPhone for several years. The hardware was definitely solid, and it certainly kept its snappiness (although that might mostly be because I didn't update it...). For what it was designed to do, I have no issues with it. Even battery replacement was cheap and performed with no problems at an Apple store.
The problem is that iOS is too locked down. I couldn't use any macro applications for some of my games, I couldn't easily have background applications running, etc. On my Android I can even set up a torrent app to automatically read torrents in from a directory and download them, and I have much more control over the actual directories. iPhone just felt too neutered of an experience for a power user.
Also I see some people touting iPhone for privacy. I'm going to note that with one of their updates (early 15's iirc) they were literally talking about scanning shit on your phone. Like not in the cloud, directly on the phone. That's one reason I refused to update my iPhone. Also, they might have better malware mitigation for bad applications and some privacy concerns, but their default privacy settings are disingenuous and very buried. When I got my iPhone, I thought I turned off everything, but then found that Brave and other browsers were somehow providing contextual ads and exact location based ads. Like not IP-address based guesstimates, but exact stuff. Found a bunch of EVEN MORE BURIED privacy options that I had to shut off. So no, I wouldn't call them a gold standard for privacy.
There's also browser support:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios#:~:text=Apple has created a proprietary,work on Firefox for iOS).
Browsing is kind of one of my large use cases on my phone, and after experiencing contemporary Firefox on Android with extensions... yeah I ain't going back. But do I think the S23 Ultra is an amazing phone? No. It's speakers suck and I'm ambivalent about a lot of things about it. Plus it overheats. I know everyone and their mother in the Android space feels like a Samsung fanboy. It's annoying. But yeah I wouldn't go back to an iPhone either way. Dubious privacy permissions and too locked down. On the upside, a lot of things "just work", so there's that. But Android has gotten much better in that department since my last Android, too.
Right now, I actually do have an S23 Ultra. But I only got it because I was tired of iOS's limitations and it was the best phone I could buy on a 0% interest payment plan (because a 0% interest loan is a pretty big money savings). Before that, I had an iPhone, and I used that iPhone for several years. The hardware was definitely solid, and it certainly kept its snappiness (although that might mostly be because I didn't update it...). For what it was designed to do, I have no issues with it. Even battery replacement was cheap and performed with no problems at an Apple store.
The problem is that iOS is too locked down. I couldn't use any macro applications for some of my games, I couldn't easily have background applications running, etc. On my Android I can even set up a torrent app to automatically read torrents in from a directory and download them, and I have much more control over the actual directories. iPhone just felt too neutered of an experience for a power user.
Also I see some people touting iPhone for privacy. I'm going to note that with one of their updates (early 15's iirc) they were literally talking about scanning shit on your phone. Like not in the cloud, directly on the phone. That's one reason I refused to update my iPhone. Also, they might have better malware mitigation for bad applications and some privacy concerns, but their default privacy settings are disingenuous and very buried. When I got my iPhone, I thought I turned off everything, but then found that Brave and other browsers were somehow providing contextual ads and exact location based ads. Like not IP-address based guesstimates, but exact stuff. Found a bunch of EVEN MORE BURIED privacy options that I had to shut off. So no, I wouldn't call them a gold standard for privacy.
There's also browser support:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios#:~:text=Apple has created a proprietary,work on Firefox for iOS).
Browsing is kind of one of my large use cases on my phone, and after experiencing contemporary Firefox on Android with extensions... yeah I ain't going back. But do I think the S23 Ultra is an amazing phone? No. It's speakers suck and I'm ambivalent about a lot of things about it. Plus it overheats. I know everyone and their mother in the Android space feels like a Samsung fanboy. It's annoying. But yeah I wouldn't go back to an iPhone either way. Dubious privacy permissions and too locked down. On the upside, a lot of things "just work", so there's that. But Android has gotten much better in that department since my last Android, too.
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We really get stuck with just a few choice piles of crap and somehow these companies convinced us we need to take up arms and defend out choice pile of crap.
Its pepsi and coke and this rivalry is good for business. We are doing what they want us to do, talking about their products in public places (free advertising).
I swing back and forth with android and apple. WHat annoys me about one makes me go to the other then i remember what i hate about that one. back and forth.
I do miss when a new phone was exciting and could do so many more things than the previous phone.
we allowed this to happen, we wanted internet and video games in our pocket, now we need loans for phones lol.
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Sad that it “has to be” that way. I disagree with some of your stances on privacy, but it doesn't matter. I don't care what anyone else uses (unless they're going to be annoying about it); as it doesn't affect me at all. Glad you like your phone.
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Because you are misreporting what was going on with the scanning of child porn (To be fair, most people have no fucking idea of what was going on, and just repeating news stories without understanding)-
Yes, the hash scanning happens on the phone. This was happening if you had iCloud Photos enabled. If you had iCloud on the phone disabled it wasn't doing it. While the scanning doesn't happen on device on some other phones, ultimately if you're uploading photos to the cloud - It's getting scanned. By law. In this case Apple implemented the scanning on the phone because they had also implemented iCloud end-to-end encryption at the same time. So they had to find a way to scan for child exploitive content before it was uploaded to their cloud due to end-to-end encryption.
All of this seems to be misrepresenting what Apple is doing with your data. Again, Apple is collecting data, but it stays within Apple. It's not being sold off, etc. That is entirely not the case with Google. Now, yes, you can re-configure an Android device to not use any google services, but for most that is not the case. Your average Android user is being data harvested by Google for advertising purposes for every service they use by default on the phone. But credit to you if you've actually re-configured your Android phone in such a way where this isn't happening - However, I bet you haven't.
As for security, all I can say is that as someone who does digital forensics for a living, there is reason I use an iPhone. Everything else is a joke. I'm only getting into an iPhone if I break the law and look over your shoulder while you're out and see what you put in as your PIN, or you're an idiot who sets 11111 as their PIN (And some do..). And BTW, with iCloud end-to-end encryption now no one can even legally get anything of use from Apple anymore via warrant, because all Apple can give you is a blob of encrypted data, not that it's particularly needed if going after a CEC suspect. A warrant on their house will almost always turn out multiple HDD's worth of it, so the iCloud backup is irrelevant.
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Apparently Genshin Impact can immediately trigger it.
I don't have an issue with that game either.
It takes 30 minutes and the clickbait titles like Geahin Impact can cook your iPhone 15, 116 degrees!!!
Lots of clickbait articles because they are working but it’s not a thing.
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I bet a number of people here think I'm a Samsung owner, but I'm not. Never owned a Samsung phone in my life, and there's a reason. If you damage the screen on a Samsung phone then good luck, because the replacement screens are expensive. Almost costs as much as the phone itself, in a lot of cases. Also, Samsung isn't big into allowing people to install custom roms like GrapheneOS, unless you don't own the American version. If you want security, then you want GrapheneOS. I personally use LineageOS, but yea Samsung is just against that stuff. There's also a lack of SD-Card slots in a number of their devices, which is a must have for me.
I am biased towards Android, but I can admit it as well as be the biggest critic towards it. It does me no good to pretend there aren't any issues with Android devices. UnknownSouljer pointed out updates, and that's a big problem for Android. It's so fragmented that I'm surprised the EU doesn't just regulate it. Having perfectly working phones that can't update their Android OS is just asking for e-waste. It's not like Windows where you can just update it, regardless of the carrier or phone manufacturer. You can try to skirt around this and install your own custom rom, but that's really dependent on each phone brand. Often the custom rom has bugs, like my LineageOS install doesn't have good performance for WiFi hotspot, and will eventually loose connection. As much as I praise not being able to use Google crap, good luck because sometimes you do. The Ring app for example must have Chrome installed or it won't work. Some games require Google's services.
The point here is to not defend multi-billion dollar companies. If you want a better product them take the time to criticize it. Everything has flaws, and sometimes nothing gets done about those flaws. Why would they when there's a legion of people defending them?
The only time I've had problems with Android is when I install custom roms. Otherwise they just work, until I can't install certain version of Netflix or software because my device is too old or isn't on the supported list. I know Linus isn't popular now but he makes good points.
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Cost me $85 to get a replacement for my son's Flip 3 a couple months ago when the screen protector started peeling off in the crease. The screen itself was still in perfect shape. That was about a week before the original manufacturer's warranty ran out.
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Right, but I think that's the point. On a normal phone whether it's iPhone, Samsung, whatever, assuming you don't drop the damn thing or drag the screen on concrete -The screens will be perfect for as long as you own the phone, and applying a $5 tempered glass screen protector is super easy.
On these flip phones no matter what you do it's going to fail from normal usage, and outside of warranty, just like any other phone, now you're paying absurd screen repair prices.
Sure. Bear in mind that the Z Flips (and I think the folds) already come with a pre-applied protector. Personally, I bought both my and my son's phones at Best Buy, and also got the total tech thing because it gave me an extra year of warranty for each phone. (Plus I got both phones at times when there were big--like $300+--discounts, so I'm still ahead on the cost of the TT plan.)
Again, in my son's case, this was strictly a problem with the protector. There was no damage to the screen itself, and apparently Samsung doesn't even think it can be fixed, because the resolution is cross-shipping a whole new phone, which may wind up being a refurb, but my son said his replacement looked like it's in perfect shape when he got it.
I agree the foldables aren't as robust but they do seem to be getting a lot better with every generation, and I'd be tempted to get a Fold Z (or similar, if anyone made one usable in the US), except they're so stupidly expensive, and the squareish shape of the open Fold Z isn't a good fit for the shape most mobile apps are designed for--even Google's not particularly good at that, though.
My Z fold 4 is a year old now and it’s been great though it’s my second phone I use for work and business so it’s not used as much as my iPhone. I did get the Samsung extended warranty though because it was $1800 and I did hear about issues with the z fold 3 and older.
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I don't trust any corporation. I knew more or less what they made it for and what the supposed restrictions of it were. But to me, this scanning is a foothold in, and I believe they're totally fine with using it for more than that later. After all, if the tech is there, some efficient engineer will reuse it and repurpose it for something else. I wasn't willing to stick around for that, nor do I trust them with not adding shadow settings in there that are very buried and hidden for advertising purposes like they did with my previous phone. I play anime games like Azur Lane. Go look up some art for Azur Lane. I don't know what their hashing and scanning involves, but I'm not sticking around for whatever it evolves into.
That doesn't mean I trust Google (although in my experience they haven't been too insidious like Facebook/Meta/whatever). No, I don't go over the top and block all of their stuff and load up a custom rom. I just go into the settings and disable every single one that involves personalization and privacy that I can get my grubby hands on (both in Google's own dashboard and the phone's dashboard) and leave it at that. I use some Google services and have been for decades. And so far, I haven't really noticed anything terribly invasive with what I see on any site. Of course, I also use Firefox with several privacy and adblocking extensions as my browser of choice on my Android phone (my Desktop Firefox also uses uMatrix which means I have to literally unblock domains to even get them to spy on me). As far as I know, iOS doesn't even have that option because the best you get is like Brave. And Brave is woefully insufficient.
Honestly I just have lines where I would 100% prefer companies NOT to cross when it comes to my privacy. There's a lot of shit I don't really care about. Like it's fine, I'm using your services for free. So you can have some of my data, especially if it in turn helps me get to where I need to go faster. But I'll play hard to get with it, and you'll find that I'm not a very low hanging fruit on your data tree because of how fickle I am anyway (and god am I fickle lol). They don't make money off of me, which is why I don't think they bother. Some of the lines in the sand are like that hash scanning shit on the iPhones and the Meta VR headset (because it's Meta). But okay I'm fine if you know I'm into PC parts and visit Microcenter constantly. *shrug*
Either way, yeah I can't go to iPhone just because of the lack of freedom. It's too locked down for my tastes. So it's not an option regardless.
My last iPhone had 256GB of data. I've been finding that if you want to just stop giving a shit about your phone ever running out of space, paying more for more space is generally a good idea. Sure it's a ripoff in terms of $/GB, but you're already paying a lot anyway. My S23 Ultra has 512GB and I'm hardly using any of it. I don't think I would ever normally run out of it unless I went and downloaded Gentrash Shitpact and every other trashy mobile game out there at the same time. As it is now, I'm only playing a very limited subset of trashy mobile games.
This is literally THE biggest issue with Android. Dubious update support. I've had Android phones in the past that were literally for all intents and purposes killed by an Android update. I'm assuming this won't happen with a phone as powerful as this S23 Ultra, but who freaking knows? Samsung doesn't even give the option to defer the update. But after all the shitty issues I had in the past with custom roms, I'm definitely not going to go jump those hoops again.
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Was that under warranty or something because I can't even find Flip 3 screens?
iPhones are cheap to replace their screens and easy too, assuming you don't run into serialization issues. I don't want to even know what it takes to replace a Flip 3 screen. For a lot of Samsung devices, the screen is just built into the housing, which also makes it more expensive. On all phones, the back glass is just a pain to replace, and breaks often.
If I know I'm going somewhere with spotty internet, then I load up my phone with entertainment. Not just movies and show, but games as well. I can run emulators so it takes a lot of space up. It just sucks that I gotta carry around a gamepad. Would be nice to have an updated Sony Xperia Play phone.
I've never had an update kill my phone, but I also just put custom roms on my phone the day I receive them. I've been doing this since the Google G1 phone. The problem with the updates is that you're forced to use an older outdated version of Android which will eventually bite you in the ass. You can be a few versions behind, but eventually apps refuse to work and the lack of security patches begins to make you worry. The shitty custom rom route is not always best because it's done by some dude in his free time who isn't going to fix all the bugs because he already upgraded from that phone and just doesn't care anymore. The more popular the phone, the less shitty the custom roms get, but it shouldn't be this way.
You quoted me saying "before the original manufacturer's warranty ran out", but yes, it was done under warranty, just to be clear. Samsung says not to remove the pre-applied screen protector on Folds and Flips.
This is why glass backs suck.
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It’s basically required due to how wireless charging works.
No clue about other phones but iPhone with the 14 and now 15/15 pro the back glass is actually a fairly easy replace now.
And it’s needed reinforcement, the aluminum chassis is so light and soft that without the glass you could fold it with a fart in its general direction.
But it has gotten pretty easy to replace it.
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The temperature issues are getting worse. I like that their conclusion is because of the use of titanium and not stainless steel or because of the use of 3nm. Not because Apple never used a heatpipe to cool down the device, or that Apple added a lot of new transistors to increase the devices performance.
https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-news/apple-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-explained/
"According to various reports and tests, the phone can get hotter than 100 degrees Fahrenheit—as high as 116F in some instances—especially while charging, making it too hot to hold."
https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-news/apple-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-explained/
"According to various reports and tests, the phone can get hotter than 100 degrees Fahrenheit—as high as 116F in some instances—especially while charging, making it too hot to hold."
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Most of these are pretty bogus, as is typical for iPhone launch complaints. I personally haven't seen it. The phone got hot during initial setup as expected, but after that, even running demanding titles it's no hotter than my 14 Pro.
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Buy the cheapest junk you can get away with and use it until you're forced to change, no need for loans or upgrade plans then
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Wasting money on a new phone yearly is one of my vices. I figure it's the thing I use the most, and I really don't mind blowing $500 a year to upgrade. Some people waste that in one weekend on drinking / food.Buy the cheapest junk you can get away with and use it until you're forced to change, no need for loans or upgrade plans then
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Understandable enough if you use it daily and can afford it. I barely use mine and it's off most of the time, it would be a waste to consider upgrading yearly.
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honestly i might try that next replacement route. i have the 13 pro now. maybe in a couple years just buy another 13 pro lol.Buy the cheapest junk you can get away with and use it until you're forced to change, no need for loans or upgrade plans then
That same article is all over the au sites, pretty sure it’s an AI article.
Anyways, 116 is the throttle temp of every cell phone or mobile device for the past decade. It’s the same temp as the 14.
The issue they should be reporting is the data transfer bug. It no longer prompts to update each device to the latest OS available on the 15, they patched it but the shipped version has an issue or 3 so it’s recommended to set it up as a new device update it, then reset to factory and do the data transfer from your old device.
Honestly, or even plastic. Plastic can do wireless charging, can look and feel good, and is probably a lot cheaper to replace, but that last thing is why we get glass backs.
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Remember that overheating issue I mentioned that nobody here acknowledges because their iPhone 15 is best iPhone 15? Yea, Apple is gonna issue a software update to try and fix it.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/30/app...address-iphone-15-overheating-complaints.html
"Apple said that the new iPhones were running hot because of a combination of bugs in iOS 17, bugs in apps, and a temporary set-up period that requires extra processing and therefore heat generation."
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/30/app...address-iphone-15-overheating-complaints.html
"Apple said that the new iPhones were running hot because of a combination of bugs in iOS 17, bugs in apps, and a temporary set-up period that requires extra processing and therefore heat generation."
I don't think anyone here is refusing to acknowledge it. It's just that we're taking a realistic approach to this. There are bugs to fix, but some of this is out of Apple's hands. Most people won't experience this, and it's not a showstopper for most of those who do.
The running joke is that every iPhone has a "gate" that gets blown out of proportion between some (not all) media reports and the community. Even the iPhone 4's antennagate ultimately amounted to little (few people claimed the bumpers or returned devices, and sales were strong). Sensationalist outlets and hardcore anti-Apple types predict doom and gloom; in practice, the issue is either a non-starter or fixed quickly enough that the damage is limited.
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Only real gate was the iPhone 4 gate. I absolutely had the issue with the iPhone 4, although the problem affected left handers more than right handers.
Great phone though even with that problem. Really set the bar for smartphones.
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The Apple click-bait train is real. Make anything small seem big for clicks. Same as every other day.