Zen 2 release date speculation

BenWah

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Hello, I have been seeing some blogs claiming Zen 2 is coming as soon as January.

So I don't give these stories much credance and don't expect anyone else to.

However, anyone heard any juicy rumors or have any reasonable guesses at when it might ship?

I guess the next generation of motherboards would come around april/may, I suppose I'd put my own wild guess at that time frame. I wouldn't be surprised if it was much later looking at the delays intel has had with its new manufacturing process.
 

Pieter3dnow

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Intel delays means they just don't have their yield problems solved. At this point AMD will ignore everything Intel does for the simple reason that Intel can not compete with any of the server products.

Just link some of the blogs or all of them.
 

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A Jan release makes no sense.

The gap is not wide enough from the zen+ line time wise.

Remember that companies need to pace themselves to keep the market hungry as well as investors always interested
 
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A Jan release makes no sense.

The gap is not wide enough from the zen+ line time wise.

Remember that companies need to pace themselves to keep the market hungry as well as investors always interested

You could say that about intel's business practice the last 10 years, but this isn't the case anymore since intel's roadmap imploded after AMD's Zen arrived.

You can rest assured that if AMD had the chance to deliver enough Zen 2 cores to both the server market and desktop at the same time, they would do it, like right now.
AMD has choosen to bet on the server market first with Rome cause this is a high volume, high margin market. With 7nm and 64 cores it should do well against intels "the 28 core" CPU.

I believe AMD wtill stick to the plan and execute as the roadmaps are layed out. Zen 2 "Matisse" for desktop Q2-Q3 2019
 

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You could say that about intel's business practice the last 10 years, but this isn't the case anymore since intel's roadmap imploded after AMD's Zen arrived.

You can rest assured that if AMD had the chance to deliver enough Zen 2 cores to both the server market and desktop at the same time, they would do it, like right now.
AMD has choosen to bet on the server market first with Rome cause this is a high volume, high margin market. With 7nm and 64 cores it should do well against intels "the 28 core" CPU.

I believe AMD wtill stick to the plan and execute as the roadmaps are layed out. Zen 2 "Matisse" for desktop Q2-Q3 2019

I agree, they need to milk Zen+ for a while longer to recoup their investment. Throwing Zen2 down now is not going to win them any more mind share. It takes time for everyone to wake up to the fact that AMD is back in the game on the CPU side. No point blowing it all out at one time. Let Zen+ and Rome do their jobs and set up the pins so that Zen2 can knock them down.
 

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January 9th is when AMD's CEO will give the keynote at CES ... maybe that's what you were thinking of?

You guys are probably right, AMD will likely "milk Zen+ for a while longer to recoup their investment" but, it wouldn't bother me if they came out asap with the new AMD X570 motherboard, Zen 2, 7nm CPU & Navi 7nm GPU. It sounds like it's going to be expensive tho.

September 2nd 2018: AMD Fast-tracks 7nm "Navi" GPU to Late-2018 Alongside "Zen 2" CPU
https://www.techpowerup.com/247305/amd-fast-tracks-7nm-navi-gpu-to-late-2018-alongside-zen-2-cpu

A comment: "Nowhere in the article does it say Navi is coming late 2018. As a matter of fact, Navi wasn't mentioned at all. The gpu that's going to launch later this year is a 7nm Vega 20, which is not a consumer product."

I really never heard of this "xGMI" before:

xGMI (Inter-Chip Global Memory Interconnect)
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen

Infinity Fabric (IF) - AMD
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/infinity_fabric

AMD Vega 20 To Get PCIe 4.0 Support on Server Graphics Cards – PCIe 4.0 and PCIe 5.0 Roadmap Reveals Consumer Platform Adoption Still Far Away
https://wccftech.com/amd-vega-20-radeon-instinct-pcie-4-support/
 

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My theory is close: January announcement, late march availability.
 

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My theory is close: January announcement, late march availability.

I do expect it to be around late march or april. Like a year form 2700x release date. I just checked and looks like they did announce on January 8th with April availability on 2700x. Hmm, so you are right they might announce it if it all looks good and production is ramping up. I mean they have had the silicon since mid year this year so its totally doable. Lisa is speaking so she probably is going to announce zen 2. It will be full year in april from 2700x, sounds about right.
 

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Q3-Q4
We may unlikely see a 2800 prior but I doubt it as we know the clock range of zen+ and it doesn't leave much room for this.
 

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Q3-Q4
We may unlikely see a 2800 prior but I doubt it as we know the clock range of zen+ and it doesn't leave much room for this.

q3 q4 this year for zen 2? Unless you are speaking of epyc samples being out. I think OP and discussion is more about ZEN 2 7nm desktop chips. Which won't be out until next year, likely April time frame like 2700x was
 

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q3 q4 this year for zen 2? Unless you are speaking of epyc samples being out. I think OP and discussion is more about ZEN 2 7nm desktop chips. Which won't be out until next year, likely April time frame like 2700x was
Sorry, Q3-Q4 2019 for Desktop.
Maybe earlier but it wouldn't make sense if they have too much inventory.
 

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Sorry, Q3-Q4 2019 for Desktop.
Maybe earlier but it wouldn't make sense if they have too much inventory.
I expect AMD to keep with their previous schedule to make them look more stable. Tail end of Q1 is more likely.
 

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The problem with these discussions is that when you talk about something arbitrary as a date without knowing what the product is then a date holds little to no value. If we all knew that Zen 2 is 4.5ghz base and has turbo to 5ghz it can't be soon enough we would rather have it y'day then in a week.
 

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Sorry, Q3-Q4 2019 for Desktop.
Maybe earlier but it wouldn't make sense if they have too much inventory.

I highly doubt they have too much inventory on hand for zen+. 2700x and others are selling quiet well and are on amazon top seller lists. Recent price drop suggests they wanna move them even faster.
 

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I always take the date they announce it will be out (Q1 2019!) and add three to six months (Q2 or Q3 2019).
 

N4CR

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I highly doubt they have too much inventory on hand for zen+. 2700x and others are selling quiet well and are on amazon top seller lists. Recent price drop suggests they wanna move them even faster.
Yeah good point they are moving rapidly, price cuts are to keep Intel stuff looking overpriced though as they will take the higher end consumer platform performance crown obviously (outside of HEDT lmao). So I don't think it's to clear stock, they are purely building mindshare currently by being the best choice at the best price.
One local PC place yesterday had a fucking wall of Ryzen 7 boxes sitting on the counter. Way more 'eye space' than Intel (like what Intel used to get....). I've never seen that here in my 15 years of PC geekery.


I always take the date they announce it will be out (Q1 2019!) and add three to six months (Q2 or Q3 2019).
This
 

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The new AMD system sounds like it'll be sweet imho:

"PCIe 4.0 allows for more devices – think NVMe SSDs – to share the same bus without draining the bandwidth pool as much. It also means the X570 motherboards released alongside the Zen 2 CPUs will be sufficiently different from the X470 boards of second-gen Ryzen fame."

AMD “to be an early adopter of PCIe 4.0” boosting Navi GPUs and Zen 2 CPUs
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-navi-zen-2-pcie-4
 

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i still don't think we'll see pcie 4.0 on zen 2.. i have a feeling we'll see it on zen 3 with the new socket and ddr5 which will be out in 2020 even though navi might support pcie 4.0 anyways before that. the only process intel has certified for ddr5 and pcie 4.0 is 10nm and whelp who the hell knows when that'll ever release so either way they could still beat intel to it with zen 3.
 

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i still don't think we'll see pcie 4.0 on zen 2.. i have a feeling we'll see it on zen 3 with the new socket and ddr5 which will be out in 2020 even though navi might support pcie 4.0 anyways before that. the only process intel has certified for ddr5 and pcie 4.0 is 10nm and whelp who the hell knows when that'll ever release so either way they could still beat intel to it with zen 3.

This is what I've been thinking. Schedules don't match. Doubt we'll see ddr5 in desktops until this time next time at the earliest. Same for pci-e
 
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