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MrGuvernment
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ChadD agree with that, but most users should have very little control over their devices, users who have more than the control required to do their jobs are the ones who will break things, get infections, the list goes on, zero trust.....even on mac.
B00nie If you trust your users, sure give them wide open access to do what ever they want, depending on what industry you are in, that may be allowed. When you work for utility companies, government orgs and other sectors that have to meet stringent controls and compliance, Apple devices are not usually an option due to the lack of controls you have over the devices. Yes, times have changed, there are some great 3rd party apps out there to mimic a windows domain environment and give levels of control, but it is still not as refined as windows is, simply due to Windows being the standard for so dam long (not always a good thing we we know)
MacOS you need AV just as much as windows these days, solely relying on Apples built in scanner is silly, that was like relying on MS defender stand alone on windows years back, a single layer approach to security is asking to fail. The other items you list, are very job specific, most end users will never need a terminal or a unix file structure versus the specific job roles that do, in which case you look at exceptions for those people. I can open my Dell Lat 5410 and have my login screen before i adjust the screen angle...no slowness there, i can log in and be ready to use it, even though it has several security apps running on it due to the industry the client is in...sounds like you had to deal with pretty crappy under spec'd laptops. Many companies sadly do deal with that every day, they go cheap, get the lowest spec'd laptop not taking into consideration, not only the end users apps, but also the other apps used in the org to secure the device. This is not a Windows or OEM issues, this is a poorly made business decision when procuring devices.
That is an IT issue then as they did not allow the required access for someone to do their jobs.....IT is there to enable users to work effectively, but also keep the company secure. This has nothing to do with Windows vs macOS
We all know Apple has had it's share of failing hardware, it is not just a Dell/HP issue.Sure, failure rates are higher on OEM's like Dell and HP, purely due to sheer volume of units sold compared to any Apple devices.
I am not a windows fanboy by any means (I now run linux as my main home OS) but there are far too many security concerns these days, across ALL OS's to be giving users 100% control of their devices, this is because end users are the #1 cause of infection/exploit/compromised systems.
B00nie If you trust your users, sure give them wide open access to do what ever they want, depending on what industry you are in, that may be allowed. When you work for utility companies, government orgs and other sectors that have to meet stringent controls and compliance, Apple devices are not usually an option due to the lack of controls you have over the devices. Yes, times have changed, there are some great 3rd party apps out there to mimic a windows domain environment and give levels of control, but it is still not as refined as windows is, simply due to Windows being the standard for so dam long (not always a good thing we we know)
MacOS you need AV just as much as windows these days, solely relying on Apples built in scanner is silly, that was like relying on MS defender stand alone on windows years back, a single layer approach to security is asking to fail. The other items you list, are very job specific, most end users will never need a terminal or a unix file structure versus the specific job roles that do, in which case you look at exceptions for those people. I can open my Dell Lat 5410 and have my login screen before i adjust the screen angle...no slowness there, i can log in and be ready to use it, even though it has several security apps running on it due to the industry the client is in...sounds like you had to deal with pretty crappy under spec'd laptops. Many companies sadly do deal with that every day, they go cheap, get the lowest spec'd laptop not taking into consideration, not only the end users apps, but also the other apps used in the org to secure the device. This is not a Windows or OEM issues, this is a poorly made business decision when procuring devices.
That is an IT issue then as they did not allow the required access for someone to do their jobs.....IT is there to enable users to work effectively, but also keep the company secure. This has nothing to do with Windows vs macOS
We all know Apple has had it's share of failing hardware, it is not just a Dell/HP issue.Sure, failure rates are higher on OEM's like Dell and HP, purely due to sheer volume of units sold compared to any Apple devices.
I am not a windows fanboy by any means (I now run linux as my main home OS) but there are far too many security concerns these days, across ALL OS's to be giving users 100% control of their devices, this is because end users are the #1 cause of infection/exploit/compromised systems.
