Ryzen 2600/x RAM choice, 3200 C14 vs C16?

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So, I'm lining up a new build (CPU, board, RAM, M.2s anyway)

RAM coming down to:
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/37884
or
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/42558

Basically 16GB 3200mhz C14 vs C16.

The issue being there's a whole 100 dollar difference in AUD between the two. Is it REALLY worth it for the C14? Will I notice it? I do like the idea of the faster RAM just 'because', but finding it hard to justify such a large price difference...

Rest of the potentially planned build:

2600 or 2600x (I really can't be bothered OC'ing, but the 2600x is in the same boat as above, a solid 80 bucks more expensive than the non-x)
Asus B450i board
Samsung 970 Evo 250GB NVME + AData SX6000 NVME (Ncase M1 build, trying to remove all extra cabling, so dual M.2's is the goal).

I'm at 1440p60hz if it makes a difference, and I'd never drop below 1440p, and next monitor would be 144hz (ideally).

Any suggestions? Will be re-using Noctua D9L or potentially grabbing the U9S (probably not required), GTX 1070 PSU and case obviously.

Update: pulled the trigger on a 2600 due to a 20% off sale atm. Not the lowest price it's been but it's a good price nonetheless.
Also I remembered I have 8GB of DDR4 2400mhz that i can use to tie me over until i save up the extra for C14?? Might be another option.
 
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Both could bring about 4-5% increase to CPU performance so 8-10% total.
But 3200c14 is Samsung B die so it can OC much Higher.

Your overclocked 4690k will be faster for anything that uses 4 cores or less than a stock 2600x with 3200c16 RAM.
If you purchased 3200c14 Flare X instead of wasting cash on RGB and took the time to overclock it to around 3466c14 then the 2600X may just pull in front of the 4690k but getting the RAM to That speed may also take a bit of skill\luck.

Resolution has no impact on CPU performance so whether your running 720p or 4k if your CPU limited the FPS will be the same.
If a game runs well enough at a lower res then its the GPU holding you back.
 
Part of the reasoning for my upgrade isn't so much that the system is 'slow' for gaming, but I've been having issues with it. My 4690k is delidded but it's not a great attempt (temps are good, bit dodgey though?) I'm bluescreening daily as well. Random vague errors. I figured it was time just to part out and upgrade anyway. Though I've narrowed my issue down to Board, CPU or SSD. Though all SSD monitoring software say no faults, issues, smart all good..

I do have a side-window hence the RGBforlols. But you're right, though the Flare X in Aus is still 60~ more than the C16 RGB, but ~40 less than the C14 RGB.

Also I find my 4 cores pegged for a lot of general tasks, so it's not just a 'I want more FPS' but rather 'I want more overall usability"

Also updated original post, grabbed the 2600 in the end. I also remembered I have 8GB DDR4 2400 lying around 1 stick just to get me off the ground if nothing else.

I'm aware I won't get massive performance gains (if at all) in a lot of titles for FPS, but it's a general system overhaul too, not really just an 'upgrade for gaming'. At 1440p it looks like the 2600/x are essentially the same anyway.. And likely very comparable to my current build.

Thanks for the response!

Sounds like I may be best waiting for further RAM drops (the c16 RGB RAM that costs 269 now, cost 329 literally 2 weeks ago, so I assume they're waiting for the Samsung die RAM to come through a new batch)..

I'm going on a small holiday in 3 weeks otherwise I'd probably just bite the bullet on the 2600x/c14 without worrying!
 
Sounds good just wanted to make sure you weren't disappointed.

Without overclocking you won't notice the difference between 3200c16 and c14. And even when overclocking most games will be GPU limited for the most part.
 
F4-3200C14D-16GFX
F4-3200C14D-16GTZR
F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK
F4-3200C14D-16GVK

All of these are more or less "known" to be good to great for overclocking purposes (depending on board and BIOS/Agesa version of course)

Flare X among the most compatible for Ryzen based systems (was "built" for them in mind so they say)
however the Trident Z second one, and the last one Ripjaw V seem to have very good reviews overall for how "hard" they can be pushed and stability, I think the only "negative" at least with some of the sammy B-die is they might not always play "nice" when the board is loaded full of memory unlike the "crappier" die types (C-D-E whatever)

Kingston first one is also a pretty great overclocker as well, though it comes at a "price" of losing latency (if I recall correctly they managed to run at 3466 more or less maxing out potential performance gain, could push harder BUT the gains/vs losses and extra volts needed were not worth such..if I recall quick google search was like 5th or 6th review down)

A few of the Trident, Ripjaw V or the other Flare X supposedly can be pushed somewhat higher clock speed (I do not know if it is because they are higher leakage or something?) I have used G.Skill for a number of years now, they always worked for me, have not used Corsair in many years (not since DDR2 days)

The C15 or some of the C16 do quite well, is a very sticky slope because the latency and all sub-timings account for much, C14 but "loose" on the remainder of timings or C16 but "tight" subtimings probably "amount" to near the same in everday type use, the raw bandwidth seems to matter so much more with Ryzen then it did with all previous AMD chips (not so much with Intel because you can run them crazy fast to begin with)

Entire list I have compiled (more or less arranged in order of price when I was hunting and calibrating, I base on CAD not USD because that is where I live) I was looking for best compatible with (stock and overclock wise)
MSI x370/B350 gaming pro carbon and MSI B450 gaming pro carbon AC (quite partial to this one), really nice mobo)

happy hunting, hope I have helped ^.^

G.Skill
F4-3200C14D-16GFX flareX < 14, 14, 14, 34 1.35v
F4-2933C16D-16GFX flareX < 16, 16, 16, 36 1.35v

F4-3200C14D-16GTZR tridentZ < 14, 14, 14, 35 1.35v RGB ones flawless very high reviews
F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK tridentZ <14, 14, 14, 34 1.35v
F4-3000C14D-16GTZR tridentZ <14, 14, 14, 34 1.35v
F4-3200C15D-16GTZ tridentZ <15, 15, 15, 35 1.35v
F4-3200C16D-16GTZB tridentZ <16, 18, 18, 38 1.35v

F4-3200C14D-16GVK ripjawV <14, 14, 14, 34 1.35v
F4-3200C15D-16GVR ripjawV <15, 15, 15, 35 1.35v
F4-3200C15D-16GVK ripjawV <15, 15, 15, 35 1.35v
F4-3000C14D-16GVK ripjawV <14, 14, 14, 34 1.35v
F4-2800C15D-16GVRB ripjawV <15, 16, 16, 35 1.25v
F4-3000C15D-16GVKB ripjawV <15, 15, 15, 35, 51 1.35v
F4-2666C15D-16GVR ripjawV <15, 15, 15, 35 1.2v

Kingston
2933 HX430C15PB3K2/16 predator <15, 17, 17, 32 1.35v
2666 HX426C13PB3K2/16 predator < 13, 15, 15, 32 1.35v
 
dasa said:
Without overclocking you won't notice the difference between 3200c16 and c14. And even when overclocking most games will be GPU limited for the most part.
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That's fair. I'm more likely to set/forget when it comes to RAM, so I'd likely be hard pressed to notice any tangible difference. It's highly probable I'll leave the 2600 at stock too for a period of time, keeping temps in check, ensuring system is stable 100% and no more blue screens etc.

dragonstongue said:
happy hunting, hope I have helped ^.^
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Wow that's a nice list! I'm in Australia so prices are all out the window haha. I'm also limited to ITX builds, so will only ever be 2 sticks of RAM anyway.

Thanks for your input! Sounds like unless the C14 comes down in price significantly, I'm best off saving money and grabbing the 320016. Though I do plan for this RAM to last through the lifetime of this platform, and handle the next CPU that comes (whatever 2020 AM4 latest chip is).

Thanks for the replies!!
 
if you can find some of these https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313712 reds and blacks, or https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820331241 thats it for team memory. dont be fooled by the plethora of other sloppy 3200 kits they sell.
those three above kits used to be guaranteed samsung b-die but they no longer advertise them as such. going by the timings alone im going to assume they still are as other ics cant run those tight of timings at that speed. generally speaking anything with timings that tight at that speed are b-die ics. there are also one or two corsair kits that run 14-14-14 timings but thats it for them.
to make it a little easier to differentiate. ALL gskill 3200 14-14-14 kits flarex/tridentz/tridentz rgb/ripjaws V, 8gb and 16gb modules are samsung b-die ics.
gskill 3600 16-16-16-36 are b-die but usually not as highly binned as most 3200 c14s. there are only a couple of 3200 c14 b-die kits besides gskill. other than the ones ive already mentioned thats about it.
also dont be fooled by the sloppy kits that try to slip into the cas14 or 16 catagories. make sure they arent 16-19-19 etc which is definitely not b-die. probably micron ics that wont clock much higher than stock. of course all of this may change tomorrow as other manufacturers build better ics. not likely but eventually someone has to step up to the plate, micron,hynix were looking at you.
there are several other gskill high speed modules but we would be here all day.
 
Dermen said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232405

This has been reported to be b-die in the past.

I don't know if it still is. I don't know if G.Skill would have changed the part number if they changed it or what they do.
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my guess would be micron with those timings and speed but it could be low binned b-die. its impossible to say without actually buying a set and running thaiphoon burner to find out what ics they are. being that they are gskill they will likely oc a bit as well as underclock a bit. they would probably run 3200 cas 15 or 16 and likely hit 3600 cas 17 or 18 with a little extra juice.
either way that is an EXCELLENT price for a 2x8gb kit! $160 is just filthy, i would buy a hand full if i had a need for some. very nice find Dermen!
 
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