These are a few of my thoughts/ideas inspired by Steacomm's DA2 case (which no doubt was much inspired by the NCASE). I'm not expecting anything here, but these are a few of the design features that I have been wishing for.
With the new window kit negating the usefulness of the side bracket, I would like to see a new top bracket of sorts to perform similar functions.
This would allow for a few things:
-HDD mounting over PSU (greedily would appreciate squeezing in 3 since they could fit with a new bracket)
-Slim top 120mm fan mount (over socket)
-Slim top~80mm fan mount (over right side?)
Other perhaps less feasible thoughts with the windowed side panel in mind:
-Vertical GPU mount for the functional purpose of clearing up the bottom of the case for 240mm AIO support (Inspired by the MNPCTECH vertical gpu bracket)
Least feasible thoughts:
-Some type of NCASE "top hat"? For fans or perhaps AIO?
That's probably too small of a niche to be worth adding more options/parts for, and it doesn't seem to me that it offers much value anyway. Any bottom-top laminar airflow is already going to be interrupted by the GPU.Would it be possible to release a solid backside panel for the M1? That way, in combination with the window panel, you can have more streamlined airflow from the bottom to top/rear for a "chimney" effect of sorts.
That's probably too small of a niche to be worth adding more options/parts for, and it doesn't seem to me that it offers much value anyway. Any bottom-top laminar airflow is already going to be interrupted by the GPU.
How do you figure that? Air going from the bottom intakes to the rear vents requires traversing most of the case, including the CPU cooler, which is itself pretty close to the back. Have you done any tests with the rear closed off to support this idea?That's true but at least you wouldn't lose most of the air from the bottom intakes by the time it reaches the CPU cooler.
How do you figure that? Air going from the bottom intakes to the rear vents requires traversing most of the case, including the CPU cooler, which is itself pretty close to the back. Have you done any tests with the rear closed off to support this idea?
Ah, okay. The right side panel ventilation is what you're talking about. I'm actually considering adding even more ventilation to both side panels (well, both on the non-window version), to help with getting the GPU exhaust out of the system. That's something that people have requested for a long time, but early on I didn't want to do because of the greater potential for warping that punching all of those holes creates. However, sometime in the last few years LL acquired a press to flatten out the panels after the punching operation so it may be more viable now.Just so we're on the same page, by backside I meant the panel that covers the back of the motherboard and the PSU, not the rear 92mm exhaust.
And I haven't run tests, but I just figured, when air from the bottom intakes hits the GPU, it makes a 90 degree turn and disperses in all directions. Some of it gets lost through the front I/O gap, but that's still a relatively small amount, some of it gets lost thru the GPU/3rd slot vents (I have a solid PCIe bracket for my 3rd slot and solid grommets for the watercooling holes, so I've sealed those up), but then a significant amount gets lost though the backside vents, especially on the PSU side if you have an SFX PSU. You'd definitely get better bottom-to-top airflow with a solid back panel. Now, obviously this only applies to window panel builds, and I understand the case was not designed with a window panel in mind, but if you do have a window panel with the bottom being your main (or only) intake, then a sealed backside panel will make a lot of sense, in fact windowed M1s should ship with it by default IMO. Clearly, tests need to be run, but I think it's just common sense. I suspect a lot of M1s ship with window panels now, so this may be worth giving some consideration.
In reality, if your CPU cooler needs extra air, it will just get it from the top vent or a rear 92mm intake, but then you have to worry about dust management.
There's just enough space lengthwise for two 140mm fans, although two of the screw holes on the rearmost fan would be blocked off by the case feet.How are you going to fit 140mm fans on the bottom, I'd like to see that. Would be a great feature for future owners.
There's just enough space lengthwise for two 140mm fans, although two of the screw holes on the rearmost fan would be blocked off by the case feet.
Widthwise it's a little more problematic because of the side panel clips, which leave barely too little space at 138mm between them across the case. For most fans with open corners it's probably okay, but it could still be an issue for some. Hence why I say "semi-support."
Two of my old posts from the main M1 thread illustrate these topics:
You can use a splitter cable so you have full headphone+mic functionality through that single jack. The industry is moving in this direction, with several newer cases coming with a combo jack.Necere
New Front I/O -- I have to say, I'm not crazy about the combo jack. I think for anyone who uses front audio, headphone + mic is necessary, I use both. It also looks a bit weird this way. I would have rather had headphone + mic and then two Type C ports on the other side, or one type A and one type C.
It's 1.5mm on <=V5. The rest of the panels are still 1.5mm. For one of the prototypes I tested using 2mm for all the exterior panels, and while it did improve the rigidity and conveyed higher quality from the increased weight, it introduced some side effects (panel warping from the hole punching, and some flaring at the tight front panel bends) that didn't seem worth the trade-off.Top panel changed to 2mm -- How thick was it before? Does it match the other panels?
W360 intends to stock some ODD top panels. The ODD tray provides the outside-front 2.5" mounting, as well (in lieu of an ODD), so it's still useful.ODD bracket redesign -- With the ODD slot top panel discontinued, what is the point of keeping this? An ODD cannot be used with V6 unless someone found an old top panel on the second-hand market.
3.5" drives are ~100mm wide, 2.5" are ~70mm. The brackets are two pieces now, and are able to support either width (but not both at the same time) by moving them closer together. To mount to the inside front, the brackets are rotated relative to the fan bracket mounting, and in that orientation there is only room for the 70mm 2.5" drives between the PSU and fan bracket (or side panel).HDD Bracket redesign -- I love the added flexibility. Why can't 3.5" drives be used with the front 2.5" mount? Would it be too unstable? It would be great for window builds that want to use a 3.5" drive.
The SFX bracket uses a new set of holes on the inside-front of the chassis, not the top chassis beams like the ATX bracket. The ATX bracket mounting holes will be retained for legacy support, however, so if you have one/can get one, you'll be able to use it.Inside front mounting for SFX -- Just curious, does this use the same mounting points as the old ATX bracket? If not, could you keep the ATX points and potentially offer the ATX bracket as a standalone in the future? A few people still use ATX PSUs, myself included. There may be 120mm models coming in the future, compatible with long GPUs in the M1.
It is removable. Without it, most of the bottom of the case is completely open. Maybe useful for people who really want to optimize airflow, at the expense of dust control (or using a bottom exhaust?).Separate steel bottom plate -- Is it removable? I don't know why anyone would want to remove it, but... just wondering.
Mostly looks are affected, I think. Dust control shouldn't be any worse if you run a positive pressure setup, and thermals (system, not just GPU) have the potential to be significantly improved since it offers direct exhaust for axial cooler cards.Extended side panel vents. Don't think it's worth compromising looks and airflow channeling/dust management for slightly better GPU temps, but I know I'm in the minority on this.
You can use a splitter cable so you have full headphone+mic functionality through that single jack. The industry is moving in this direction, with several newer cases coming with a combo jack.
It's 1.5mm on <=V5. The rest of the panels are still 1.5mm. For one of the prototypes I tested using 2mm for all the exterior panels, and while it did improve the rigidity and conveyed higher quality from the increased weight, it introduced some side effects (panel warping from the hole punching, and some flaring at the tight front panel bends) that didn't seem worth the trade-off.
If Type C becomes as ubiquitous as Type A is, sure, I'd look at multiple Type C. Boards would probably need to come with two Type E headers (one replacing the old 19 pin entirely) for that to make sense though. Even then, I'd probably lean towards the functionality of another USB port, rather than go back to the separate audio/mic ports. I think most people aren't using them anymore, in favor of USB headsets, Bluetooth/wireless, or external audio interfaces.I know you can use a dongle, but I think the point of the front I/O panel is to cut down on the use of dongles. I get that this is a transitional I/O of sorts. In the future, would you be open to doing headphone + mic on one side and two type-C ports on the other? I think it would look better and be more practical.
I always felt the top panel to be a little flimsy, a little too easy to bend. 2mm all around may not have worked out, but at least we could do this one.I see. So why did you feel the need to make the top panel alone 2mm? Will it really improve rigidity by itself? It seems like a bit of a random change, maybe not worth the added expense?
I always felt the top panel to be a little flimsy, a little too easy to bend. 2mm all around may not have worked out, but at least we could do this one.
It will sit slightly higher than the front and side panels, by design. The problem we were having is LL's stud welding process isn't perfect, and sometimes they come out a little crooked which can affect how the panel sits relative to the others. If the panel sits too high (above the top panel) it's more noticeable than if it sits too low. So setting the top panel to be a little higher by default addresses this.Just curious, will it make the top panel less flush with the side panels or have you factored that into the new design?
Yes, there's enough room for the GPU support bracket and two 120mm fans, even keeping the front I/O.And one last question on the GPU support bracket -- will it be possible to fit 2 120mm fans + the bracket? Maybe with no front I/O?