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Gross, but that's just me. I have bad memories of being forced to do graphic design and video editing for a bank on a slow-ass Apple thing back in 2015. At least the screen was nice.
That's an entirely different discussion and my comment you quoted was all in good fun. Don't be a tightass.Yeah, always best to judge an entire product lineup from experiences with one singular machine...
I would like to see a side view comparison photo of the case next to other cases in its same class. If a photo had been taken at the same time as the others photos in your post at the top of this page, please post it!
Specifically, I would like to know how deep the case would sit on a desk.
Out of curiosity, how much larger would the case be if it supported ATX? Because if it's 20L or smaller I feel like it would be worth it.
Actually, it's over 23L if you include feet and side panels.Right, 23L is definitely not worth it. I had the thought because the Mach One single-chamber config seems like a rotated Cerebrus with a full-length window, and the Cerebrus-X ATX case is only about a liter larger at 19L.
Right, 23L is definitely not worth it. I had the thought because the Mach One single-chamber config seems like a rotated Cerebrus with a full-length window, and the Cerebrus-X ATX case is only about a liter larger at 19L.
I have the Cerberus X.
It's 23L by limiting CPU air cooler height to 145mm, which is 20mm less than the 165mm needed for the Noctua D15 or equivalent class of coolers. If you made the Cerberus 20mm wider to support Nocuta D15 or equivalent coolers, the dimensions will be 192x358x380mm, about 26.6L. You see how volume is particularly sensitive to width.
I don't think people with ATX motherboards are willing to forgo Noctua D15 or equivalent support. So it puts the Cerberus at strange position.
In contrast, Mini-ITX + Noctua D15 or Micro-ATX + Noctua D15 users are likely less common relative to those with ATX mobo, so people might be more forgiving on the Mach One component support.
And what are the real dimensions of the original Cerberus? I was really under the impression that the X version was only a liter larger. By the way, Noctua's new U12S is supposed to perform on par with the D15, but it's still 158mm tall.
By the way, I respectfully disagree with the reasoning of an ATX builder "expecting" certain support. SFFLab cases are very niche, people who buy them know what they're getting. The Mach One itself makes sacrifices that a normal person who randomly bought it for their mATX system would find disappointing, but that's not who is buying these cases, it's people who know the trade-offs and value SFF.
It may sound a bit crazy, but how about an optional side panel with a protrusion? This way the Mach One could support larger CPU coolers without a change to its primary volume.In contrast, Mini-ITX + Noctua D15 or Micro-ATX + Noctua D15 users are likely less common relative to those with ATX mobo, so people might be more forgiving on the Mach One component support.
The Cerberus X is 61mm taller. Sliger Designs just seem to prefer advertising its internal volume (19.43L).And what are the real dimensions of the original Cerberus? I was really under the impression that the X version was only a liter larger.
I think you might be referring to the regular Cerberus, which supports Mini-ITX and Mirco-ATX, not ATX, it's also 18.5L (172x364x319mm).
I agree that these cases are niche, but I also have inside info, including the Cerberus and Cerberus X. For a product to be viable in the long term, it has to appeal to those outside of the SFF community.
With so many case projects on forums competing for air, it's even harder to launch products these days. Crowdfunding fatigue doesn't help either. Based on my observations and my preference for air cooling in general, I arrived at such conclusion.
That's fair, thanks for the detailed response!
Question about the MachOne -- if I have the basic setup of mATX + 240/280 AIO + aircooled GPU, what configuration would yield the best GPU temperatures? It seems to me that the choice is either to have the GPU almost touch the radiator or to move it to over the motherboard (or do the back-to-back thing) which will put the intake up against the glass. In one case airflow is a bit restricted, in the other it will be intaking straight out of the radiator. Is blower-style recommended? Seems to me that with streamlined front-to-back airflow, an open-air card might perform better because the warm air will get pushed out. The case seems ideally optimized for a full custom loop, but that's not something most people would do, so I'm wondering what the best option is for aircooled GPU + AIO for the CPU.
Also, could a 3.5" drive fit anywhere in any of the configurations? The only thing I'm thinking of is a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter for the top.
That's fair, thanks for the detailed response!
Question about the MachOne -- if I have the basic setup of mATX + 240/280 AIO + aircooled GPU, what configuration would yield the best GPU temperatures? It seems to me that the choice is either to have the GPU almost touch the radiator or to move it to over the motherboard (or do the back-to-back thing) which will put the intake up against the glass. In one case airflow is a bit restricted, in the other it will be intaking straight out of the radiator. Is blower-style recommended? Seems to me that with streamlined front-to-back airflow, an open-air card might perform better because the warm air will get pushed out. The case seems ideally optimized for a full custom loop, but that's not something most people would do, so I'm wondering what the best option is for aircooled GPU + AIO for the CPU.
Also, could a 3.5" drive fit anywhere in any of the configurations? The only thing I'm thinking of is a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter for the top.
One double slot GPU or two double slot GPU?
Question about the MachOne -- if I have the basic setup of mATX + 240/280 AIO + aircooled GPU, what configuration would yield the best GPU temperatures? It seems to me that the choice is either to have the GPU almost touch the radiator or to move it to over the motherboard (or do the back-to-back thing) which will put the intake up against the glass. In one case airflow is a bit restricted, in the other it will be intaking straight out of the radiator. Is blower-style recommended? Seems to me that with streamlined front-to-back airflow, an open-air card might perform better because the warm air will get pushed out.
The case seems ideally optimized for a full custom loop, but that's not something most people would do, so I'm wondering what the best option is for aircooled GPU + AIO for the CPU.
Also, could a 3.5" drive fit anywhere in any of the configurations? The only thing I'm thinking of is a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter for the top.
wahaha360, just in case: that was an actual suggestion. I, for one, would be really interested in such an option, as sacrificing both ATX and good cooling is too much for me. Incidentally, the H7 Quad Lumi was deemed a failure by this very website.It may sound a bit crazy, but how about an optional side panel with a protrusion? This way the Mach One could support larger CPU coolers without a change to its primary volume.
wahaha360, just in case: that was an actual suggestion. I, for one, would be really interested in such an option, as sacrificing both ATX and good cooling is too much for me. Incidentally, the H7 Quad Lumi was deemed a failure by this very website.
Hmm... In that case, why not ask Noctua about a shorter NH-U12S? As a matter of fact, a cooler of that size seems to be the only thing missing from their lineup.I bought one for testing. I’m trying to figure out how much better it is or can be compare to the Noctua U9S.
The H7QL mounting and fan is meh, but the cooler height, mass, fin density has potential. The H7QL has the same mass excluding fan as the Noctua U12. The real question is can one get the most out of the H7 QL with some tweaks (better mounting, 2 more heat pipes).
If yes, maybe SFFLAB can work with Cryprig on a custom variant.
Hmm... In that case, why not ask Noctua about a shorter NH-U12S? As a matter of fact, a cooler of that size seems to be the only thing missing from their lineup.
Too bad... Incidentally, did you test any top-flow coolers with the Mach One?Noctua didn't seem interested
RGB-decontamination wipes?The things you have to do to make a product
Gear 1 is for air cooling and would recommend air cooling if you can.
For Gear 1 + air cooling, with dual 140mm fans, there is ~ 46mm gap to the double slot GPU. For CPU air cooler, the Noctua U9S (140W limit) and Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi (160W limit) should work. If you put the Noctua 120mm Sterrox fans on the Cryorig H7 QL, it will be even better. Unless you are running Threadripper or need double window, air cooling works.
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. What about the C14S with it exhausting toward the glass? Seems to work well with the M1.
The Noctua C14S will fit, the case has about 10mm more gap from the side panel to the CPU cooler compare to the M1 (Mach One is 10mm wider too)/
I know it fits, but I was wondering what your opinion was on how it would perform. You seemed to recommend the U9S or H7 instead. It seems like with directional airflow, the C14S would outperform them.
Could you do 280mm AIO with mATX if you used slim fans?
Would an EK-MLC Phoenix 280 fit in this with both the CPU and GPU modules in a single loop? The pre-filled tubes for these seem kind of long and it seems like the limited space for tubing in this case could be an issue.
Also, I don't see the specs for how many 2.5" drives you could put in there, if any.
Thanks!
Do you want stripped threads? Because that's how you get stripped threads.don't like 1mm SECC on the inside, too thin (upgrading to 1.5mm aluminum on prototype 2)
Do you want stripped threads? Because that's how you get stripped threads.
Jokes aside, how heavy would the case get with a thicker SECC frame?
Do you want stripped threads? Because that's how you get stripped threads.
Jokes aside, how heavy would the case get with a thicker SECC frame?
Ouch... I see.The chassis at 1.5mm SECC would increase weight from 3.5kg to 4.5kg at minium, the shipping cost will increase by $10-$15 depending on the country..
Sounds like a plan.Steel threaded inserts can address this problem.