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Well so dumb question, and not just addressed to you, if you have an onboard GPU, can you actually turn off the PCIE GPU down to some ridiculously low power state and run off the onboard for most things, then have windows wake up the GPU for 3d workloads?
Certainly, many things may use a single thread, or multiple, but not efficiently, because they are either poorly designed, old, or just are better that way (MS Excel is awful for being single threaded for many of its formulas) So there could be a very specific place for it, but in general, with the amount of things people are doing on their systems at any given time, a 400 point synthetic benchmark score is not going to be something anyone will notice in the real world, vs the benefits of the other processor options, or just sticking with what they have.
Yeah, the only systems coming with fast NVME drives are the 11th Gen parts and the odd 10th Gen machine I see floating around. We are using M.2 SATA drives for almost all the machines. It's amazing that I once considered them fast! I do load all the systems here with 16GB and with all the encryption and company apps we have... makes 8th Gen Parts seem slow. That's inaccurate, everything seems slow in this environment.
There is zero down side other then it cost a few more dollars for a igpu. It is great to have for a backup and troubleshooting discreet GPU. You also lose our on quick sync. The KS skus are highly binned chips. The KF and K don't have much difference in overclocking head room.
This is where I'm leaning as well - cheap Z690 from warehouse deals, DDR4 and 13700K. I'm happy to wait for high binned 13900 KS variant if I decide to do a dumb-money Z790/DDR5 build.
Broken clock is right twice a day
Let’s hope AMD delivers with the longevity again.AMD's problem has been that between those 2 times when the clock is right, over a decade passes.Broken clock is right twice a day
I recommend the Asus TUF GAMING B660M-PLUS WIFI D4. Its got everything you need. I recently built one with a 12600k for some kids-----and its the smoothest build I have done in the past 2.5 years. I got it from Amazon warehouse for $125. No original box---but all accessories. And it all looked new/unused. May have been held for a minute.
I couldn't care less about PCI-e 5 drives until we see some games that actually take advantage of them. Been taking their sweet time on that.
I might be out to lunch myself on this but I thought that to use the onboard video you had to plug your monitor into the HDMI/DVI connector on the motherboard whereas to use the PCIE GPU you had to plug into the video card. Assuming that I am correct here, I am not sure that there would be a "soft" way to swap between onboard and PCIE video graphics based on 3d workload. You would need to manually swap the cables.
The issue with "using" Pcie5 for drives is to really use it you need to be using the direct storage APIs. The parts of the Direct Storage API that really makes it work are a series of commands that are optional in the PCIe3 and 4 specifications, but mandatory in the PCIe5 specification. There was only a handful of NVME controllers that contained those optional commands but when the silicon shortages hit and the NVME controllers were basically downgraded across the board those controllers were replaced with ones that don't have them even in the same product lineup, which makes supporting it a PITA. So really the adoption of PCIe5 NVME drives is what will spur developers to integrate the technology that uses it.
Nonsense, DirectStorage is a Windows solution to a Windows problem. PCIE5 drives are entirely usable without DirectStorage.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/g...verviews/directstorage/directstorage-overview
Direct Storage is Microsoft's solution to the industry-wide problem that a GPU or Accelerator can not talk directly to system memory or system storage without using the CPU as an intermediary. This is a problem for all OS be it Linux, Unix, Microsoft, or Apple which is why they each have their own version of it.
I got lucky - IT issued me a 10700 with 16GB and NVMe
. Of course, the network and all of the authentication & encryption is still slow .AMD could leverage this with their iGPU and RDNA cards. Will they?
They could do this, Nvidia and Intel worked out Optimus to do just this, and for the many years it has existed it has generally been a pain in the ass for everybody, so while AMD could do this I would be very grateful if they didn't.
I feel that something Laptop achieve to do (one HDMI or DP port output that both the Igpu and the Dgpu can use depending of what is going on), for a very simple use of the sort if it is directX or Vulkan and fullScreen shift to the more powerful GPU it could be possible (I would imagine).
Honestly, I have never been a fan of the NV/Intel graphics switching. It has caused all manner of issues and plenty of hardware acceleration headaches. It would be nice if you could pick the video card that would be primary for everything or just disable the iGPU entirely, but... That would be asking for too much.
There's no magical switch. It requires a lot of work to get it working. Now with ray tracing and other stuff it probably would be even harder if not impossible in practice.
IDK - the 13th Gen stuff looks quite promising as a nice, efficiency uplift over the 12th gen parts. Methinks this is going to give AMD the black eye that makes them punch out their X3D parts in Q1 next year (or sooner). Depending on how it goes, I might even be coerced to switch from Team Red to Blue. I did say I was sitting this generation out but I'm starting to develop the upgrade itch again... Not a burning sensation, just a desire to try something new and non AMD for my next build. I am eagerly awaiting whatever they punch out for this release. Intel will use my stupid huge stockpile of DDR4 too, so more value for me.
Even the most diehard AMD fan should admit Intel did the right thing by supporting DDR4 for their big/small rollout.
Yeah, I think that was a smart move that didn't simply invalidate the shitload of ram that I and many other's have stockpiled over the years. The actual performance shift between DDR4 and 5 is like 3%...
Eventually DDR5 will mature, and the differences will be evident. Until that happens, we're all just playing guinea pig with DDR5.
What DooKey said. Initially, we won't see much difference at all. The biggest gains may be seen on the iGPU side of things when AMD punches out their next gen APU parts. However, right now, the margin of performance uplift is negligible. The penalties for adopting DDR5 are pretty large with all the protections enabled for side channel attacks. IIRC the boot times for these systems are long and initial boot setups can take MINUTES as the boards calibrate everything. I saw a report that initial setups could take something like 5-10 minutes before systems even hit a point where they post to BIOS. So, people aren't supposed to be alarmed thinking their systems are dead out the gate.
This is true enough. Right now the prices are a bit salty, even though they have come down significantly since DDR5 first came out.
Well they don't offer the higher-end boards with DDR4.
Like it was with DDR4 was released with a base spec of 2133. DDR5 won't be a thing til we see 8000+ with better Cas latency. The base spec DD5 is 4800 with a Cas of 40. That is poop.
