Cowboy Beebop live action at Netflix!

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Kardonxt said:
""First I wanted to apologize to the fans that I do not anatomically match the Faye Valentine character," Pineda said. She summarized Faye's 'anatomy' as "Six foot, double-D size breasts, two-inch waist" and sarcastically remarked, "You know, they looked everywhere for that woman, and they couldn't find her. It's kinda weird. So they just went with my short ass. I know, am I right?""

https://www.cbr.com/cowboy-bebop-daniella-pineda-faye-valentine/
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The problem isn't she doesn't look like an anime character, it is she's doesn't look like 'the character' for a live action version of the show. She's just not a femme fatale type. She also looks like crack shot & headlock with thighs action girl. That is also not Faye.

To make it worse, rather than saying they needed to make an update for 2021 sensibilities, they got salty, instead. I guess admitting you have to appease sensibilities is as big a problem having a faithful 'version' of the character.
 
Gorankar said:
She don't look like Faye to me, that's that. My opinion is no more nonsense or poisonous than yours, so it's nothing that can be called out. Take your social outrage and silly politics to soap box. Rant all you like there.
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Psh. Being called out on your bullshit has made you uncomfortable. Now you're trying to redirect the conversation and try to sound reasonable, while ignoring that you're judging an actress wholly on her physical appearance as it compares to an anime character.

Do you go to anime conventions and tell cosplayers to their faces, in front of everyone else, that they're not pretty enough? Or their skin is the wrong color, or whatever other bullshit comparisons you want to make? No, I can't imagine you do. You just say shit like this on the internet, thinking no one is going to call you out on it, and oops, it turns out you're just another internet asshole.

It sounds like you should stick to crunchyroll and pornhub.

Of course, that's just my opinion, and I guess that means you can't call it out.
 
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deruberhanyok said:
You just say shit like this on the internet, thinking no one is going to call you out on it, and oops, it turns out you're just another internet asshole.
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Am I the only one that thought the martial arts fight scenes in the trailer didn't look real? To me, they look like a kids' white belt class--every move done extra slow and exaggerated so newbs can watch carefully so they can learn it. It didn't look anything like (say) boxing or even high-level martial arts tournaments.
 
1_rick said:
Am I the only one that thought the martial arts fight scenes in the trailer didn't look real? To me, they look like a kids' white belt class--every move done extra slow and exaggerated so newbs can watch carefully so they can learn it. It didn't look anything like (say) boxing or even high-level martial arts tournaments.
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yea that's my biggest problem so far, like the actors were told how to move as they were filming "ok, now slowly move your right arm 35 degrees to your left, don't worry we'll speed it up in editing"
 
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Am I the only one that thought the martial arts fight scenes in the trailer didn't look real? To me, they look like a kids' white belt class--every move done extra slow and exaggerated so newbs can watch carefully so they can learn it. It didn't look anything like (say) boxing or even high-level martial arts tournaments.
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Yeah, the fight scenes look like something from your local cosplay meetup lol a complete cheese-fest that's the first thing I notice with the first trailer how cheesy the fight choreography looked.
 
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Psh. Being called out on your bullshit has made you uncomfortable. Now you're trying to redirect the conversation and try to sound reasonable, while ignoring that you're judging an actress wholly on her physical appearance as it compares to an anime character.

Do you go to anime conventions and tell cosplayers to their faces, in front of everyone else, that they're not pretty enough? Or their skin is the wrong color, or whatever other bullshit comparisons you want to make? No, I can't imagine you do. You just say shit like this on the internet, thinking no one is going to call you out on it, and oops, it turns out you're just another internet asshole.

It sounds like you should stick to crunchyroll and pornhub.

Of course, that's just my opinion, and I guess that means you can't call it out.
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What are we arguing about again that has you so triggered? That's right, Hollywood's failure to sell Pineda as Faye to me. That's a lot of text you have there. Be a shame if somebody just laughed it off. Look, you can attack me for having an opinion all you like. My opinion is unlikely to change, and your opinion of me or my opinion is rather meaningless to me.

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Psh. Being called out on your bullshit has made you uncomfortable. Now you're trying to redirect the conversation and try to sound reasonable, while ignoring that you're judging an actress wholly on her physical appearance as it compares to an anime character.

Do you go to anime conventions and tell cosplayers to their faces, in front of everyone else, that they're not pretty enough? Or their skin is the wrong color, or whatever other bullshit comparisons you want to make? No, I can't imagine you do. You just say shit like this on the internet, thinking no one is going to call you out on it, and oops, it turns out you're just another internet asshole.

It sounds like you should stick to crunchyroll and pornhub.

Of course, that's just my opinion, and I guess that means you can't call it out.
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Did you seriously just out yourself as running dual accounts? LOL... Are you real or a bot? Asking for a friend lol.
 
I haven't seen Pineda in anything that I recall, so I have nothing to judge her on. From the tidbits so far, right now, it looks like writing and direction are steering Faye more into action girl and less femme fatale territory than the original character. So appearance aside, it doesn't seem right, at the moment. Baring another trailer, I'm going to hold further judgement on the character until I see an actual episode.
 
Jagger100 said:
The problem isn't she doesn't look like an anime character, it is she's doesn't look like 'the character' for a live action version of the show. She's just not a femme fatale type. She also looks like crack shot & headlock with thighs action girl. That is also not Faye.

To make it worse, rather than saying they needed to make an update for 2021 sensibilities, they got salty, instead. I guess admitting you have to appease sensibilities is as big a problem having a faithful 'version' of the character.
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Post #85 on page 3 and the follow ups kinda nullify all the modern dress sensibilites with the actress for the live action show.
 
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Post #85 on page 3 and the follow ups kinda nullify all the modern dress sensibilites with the actress for the live action show.
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They’re just mad she’s not a huge-knockered skanky looking chick and honestly who cares? This debate has been if she’s subjectively attractive to people. This has gone on for pages. I’m excited that this show is even happening. It won’t ruin the old show for me it will still exist.
 
Shoganai said:
They’re just mad she’s not a huge-knockered skanky looking chick and honestly who cares? This debate has been if she’s subjectively attractive to people. This has gone on for pages. I’m excited that this show is even happening. It won’t ruin the old show for me it will still exist.
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thats a dumb assumption and not the point of that post. rage on....
 
Too be fair, we have been spoiled by the large number of Faye cosplayers that look a lot more like Faye than Pineda seems to be managing. I am not mad they took her a different direction. Just disappointed my expectations were not met. My and others disappointment over frumpy Faye has seemingly enraged some here to the point of needing to resort to personal attacks. Which I seriously do not get at all.
 
I will likely still see the show as long as they don't intentionally mess it up. Which is always a possibility given how the entertainment industry seems to be somewhere between just out of touch, to downright hostile with the fans of various IP the last few years. So far, this does not seem to be one of those cash grab and then destroy IP situations though.

The action seemed quirky, but may be fixable in post. The music was as awesome as I remember, and dialog seemed decent. Of course, being a sub fan, the English seemed a bit out of place, but only because I only ever watched the subbed versions. An old man's abhorrence of change and all that. I could get used to that easily enough though. Aside from Faye, the characters, sets, and props all look "right". Even Faye's appearance is not terrible really, just, as I said earlier, disappointing and somewhat odd considering how many cosplayers managed it better than the professionals seem to have, and how spot on they seem to have tried to make everything else.
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and then changing names and ninja editing posts to dodge a ban....
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They managed to get quoted prior to the name change. Actually they didn't even bother to edit all of it. I am still an internet a-hole and troll apparently. But I don't care enough to report any of them. I need more comedy in my life anyway.
 
I'm glad she's only re-using 10% of the 1998 score. The promos have been recycling the original so much I was afraid there was no new music. But to be honest, I haven't heard any of Kanno's younger stuff since Ghost in the Shell: Solid State Society. (2006)

If you've ever watched DVD extras of her, she's a very peculiar and brilliant artist. I'm convinced she was the inspiration for Ed.
 
Saturn_V said:
I'm glad she's only re-using 10% of the 1998 score. The promos have been recycling the original so much I was afraid there was no new music. But to be honest, I haven't heard any of Kanno's younger stuff since Ghost in the Shell: Solid State Society. (2006)

If you've ever watched DVD extras of her, she's a very peculiar and brilliant artist. I'm convinced she was the inspiration for Ed.
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Kanno makes great music outside of Bebop, though not as well known. Uncharted Waters is a videogame she composed for in the early 90s and it's amazing.
She also composed the soundtrack to other anime, such as Escaflowne, Kids on the slope, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Terror in Resonance. All of which are awesome.

Apparently she also works with music artists and does a ton of commercials in Japan, but I'm not familiar with those or any of her live action film OSTs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno
 
TheSlySyl said:
Kanno makes great music outside of Bebop, though not as well known. Uncharted Waters is a videogame she composed for in the early 90s and it's amazing.
She also composed the soundtrack to other anime, such as Escaflowne, Kids on the slope, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Terror in Resonance. All of which are awesome.

Apparently she also works with music artists and does a ton of commercials in Japan, but I'm not familiar with those or any of her live action film OSTs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno
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Yoko Kanno and and Yuki Kajiura pretty much own my top 10 list for favorite anime soundtracks and a significant portion of my favorite soundtracks of any genre.
 
I'm pretty pumped!!! Since having a kid last year we haven't used the movie projector much but are definitely gonna fire it up tonight to watch the show
 
sorry, it's bad guys... not terrible, but... yea... :(
 
Saturn_V said:
My Anime Soundtrack collection is literally 75% Yoko Kanno. (GitS:SAC and Bebop) the rest is HIroshi/Akira Miyagawa (Space Battleship Yamato/ SBY2199)
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Wow, I am amazed someone else likes Miyagawa. I rarely see that happen. I am a huge fan of Yamato.
 
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sorry, it's bad guys... not terrible, but... yea... :(
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It’s not that bad, but the writing needs some work. Action, music, and sets are all good. Actors are fine but they’re not written super well. I’m sure I’ll watch the whole series, but it’s not compelling enough for me to binge it.
 
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Wow, I am amazed someone else likes Miyagawa. I rarely see that happen. I am a huge fan of Yamato.
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One of my framed vinyls is Symphonic Suite Yamato, complete with OBI.

I grew up on Star Blazers in the early 80s. (in a lot of ways I was crazier for it than SW/ST) But it wasn't until the late 90s that I discovered SBY and started collecting the BGMs. When they rebooted in 2012 with SBY2199, and Miyagawa's son started writing new music, I was on board with both hands and feet. The new Gamilas Anthem (Praise Be Our Eternal Glory) is one of my favs from the new stuff.
 
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One of my framed vinyls is Symphonic Suite Yamato, complete with OBI.

I grew up on Star Blazers in the early 80s. (in a lot of ways I was crazier for it than SW/ST) But it wasn't until the late 90s that I discovered SBY and started collecting the BGMs. When they rebooted in 2012 with SBY2199, and Miyagawa's son started writing new music, I was on board with both hands and feet. The new Gamilas Anthem (Praise Be Our Eternal Glory) is one of my favs from the new stuff.
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Your story is pretty much my path too. The Infinite Universe is my favorite. I really like the theme song too. It was the 1st Japanese song I ever learned. I have seen every Yamato series and movie in Japanese. Even the ridiculous Dai Yamato zero go and 2520.
 
I just saw the first episode and IMO it's really good with the exception of the Faye Valentine character. I know this series is just based on the anime but I feel like they forced her character into the first episode and the actress playing the role isn't fitting in for me so far. In contrast the Jet and Spike characters are spot on and the special effects are triple A quality. Netflix might have another hit on their hands here.
 
I've seen the first two episodes and I will admit its better than I anticipated, but I wouldn't call it good. Sometimes its almost a shot for shot remake of the anime series but then but then it skips over some stuff so they can keep the runtime and costs down. So far all the changes I've seen are largely there to cut the episode count down more than anything. So far they seem to have dropped the part about Spike's eye, which I always thought was wise and said as much after watching the anime (for the first time all the way through) recently. Age not withstanding, the guy playing Spike does a great job. Jet Black is the highlight for me as the actor absolutely nails the character. Other than the fact that Faye doesn't look like Faye, I have little to say about her so far. While Spike and Jet are spot on, Faye just seems off even when she's essentially delivering the same lines as her anime counterpart.

Other characters aren't necessarily miscast, as much as they seem to be trying too hard to look, sound and act like their anime counterparts. Even their exaggerated facial expressions and mannerisms used to mimic the original come across as something in between creepy and campy. There is a lot of wire-foo crap and stuff designed to make the show look more like its source material but it comes across as B grade sci-fi when it does this. I literally cringe at many of the scenes when they do this. They've tried to hide some of the shitty effects with editing with mixed results if I'm being kind.

The acting is also shit. The one good thing I will say is that I haven't seen any of the woke shit that I feared or any political messaging. The only sign of that I've seen so far is the over abundance of obvious non-binary characters and cross dressing guys. To be fair, there were quite a few of them in the anime but they were only present in certain places or scenes where as they are everywhere in the show. I don't really feel one way or another about that other than it's somewhat distracting because they are trying too hard for representation points but thankfully, so far it hasn't detracted from the story. It's more of a visual distraction at this point.

While the interior sets have all the quality you'd find in a high school theater production, the exterior shots of the Bebop, the Swordfish II, space stations, etc are spot on. Despite them not always being convincing CGI, they are pretty good for a TV budget and are artistically, spot on. The details are there and I really appreciate the effort they went to in order to make the show look authentic in this regard. They didn't redesign anything, they kept all of the ships looking just as they did in anime, and these translate very well to the more realistic art style. There are other details they really paid attention to such as Spike using the same gun he does in the anime, and all of that. All of that is great.

Unfortunately, as I said before they try to translate almost everything from the anime to live action and it often doesn't work. The show usually feels like something the CW would have made. It really just comes across as a pale imitation of the anime cut for time with a shoestring budget and some questionable casting choices. Namely, Vicious. He's almost a parody of the anime character.

I'm only two episodes in and I'm not sure I can make it all the way through. I'm watching it out of academic interest more so than being entertained. That said, it's not all bad. As I said, Jet and Spike are usually fun to watch and the comedy between them is executed flawlessly.
 
Also finished two episodes and while it is campier than I expected and I particularly don't care for the Vicious actor, I've been loving it.

Art design is amazing and I'm absolutely fine with it being campy as long as it stays with the same level of overacted camp consistently, I'm more than good with how it is so far.
 
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Also finished two episodes and while it is campier than I expected and I particularly don't care for the Vicious actor, I've been loving it.

Art design is amazing and I'm absolutely fine with it being campy as long as it stays with the same level of overacted camp consistently, I'm more than good with how it is so far.
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Def worth a watch.
 
Haven't read much in the thread, would say I'm a huge Cowboy Bebop fan from the original anime. Literally the only anime I watched over two more times as soon as I finished watching it, I've never done that before for any anime, I just wanted more.

Binged the entire thing. I'll keep it spoiler free. Honestly, VERY subpar. I still enjoyed it for what it is though. But yea, cinematography definitely needs work, acting is alright in certain regards, I blame mostly the writing, and directing. Shot transitions are done very poorly, shot selection is also atrocious in certain segments...The editing is just awfully paced, action hand to hand is so slow, that the editing doesn't offer any help to speed things up. Honestly, I see the 50% critic and audience score on rotten tomatoes to be pretty accurate. Still enjoyed it, wouldn't call it terrible, but not good either. Unsure on how I feel sticking close to the anime as much as possible. I like the idea of trying to be very similar to the anime, but don't shackle yourself to it to the point it cripples the show. Quite a bit more thoughts in detail, but don't want to spoil anything, so I'll throw it in a spoiler message.

Overall, the show definitely has promise. The only aspect that really crippled the show, was the directing, writing, editing, and cinematography in my eyes. Now that is a HUGE amount to have wrong, but it wasn't a total disaster even though it contained these errors. Editing was just janky, scene transitions were just random and slow. Overall this lent to TERRIBLE pacing between shots and transitioning from moment to moment, either lingering way too long on a scene, or too quickly. The shot/scene selection didn't help either, would of been better if they had more transitional material in between to flesh things out more. I know there are always time constraints in media, but don't sacrifice what you can do with a limited vision in what you can show. Heck, they could of saved time on the unnecessarily longer cut scenes, and apply those seconds to building up the overall flow.

Action scenes were just terrible in terms of hand to hand combat. WAY to slow, spike is a fast and furious fighting machine, but he just seemed sloth like. Even when he was practicing on that wooden arm martial arts mannequin, it was so slow it just wasn't believable what so ever. The actual person to person fight scenes were faster, and even they were really slow. The editing just made matters worse, speed the clip up if it's that bad. I've had a history with a lot of video editing, and I can with whole certainty say, I could take the footage they do have, and make it better...It's just that sloppily put together. Audio aspects were also off imo, such as that awkward scene with Jet dancing to his kids recital in the holovision or whatever you want to name it. Raise the music volume up during that moment with spike fighting in the background. The music was so low for what jet was experiencing, you could hear him dancing in place in the transition shots....Which just makes everything way more awkward, to make matters worse, the clip went on for longer than it needed. The idea of that scene was honestly fine, just raise the music, and cut the length of that clip in half, and you have a good comedic moment in timing and presentation, but what was given was an awful jumble of bad choices.

Onto the acting, it was OK for some characters, not so much for others.

First Jet, I like the aim for Jet, but he fell very flat and monotone on the emotion. I like the idea of staying true to the original characters, but don't tether and chain yourself to it to the point it restricts you. Quite a bit of his interactions seemed off, like he was recording lines by himself without a scene partner, like his reunion moment with his former PD partner. There scenes were good on the partner actor's side, had emotion, pacing, but Jet just fell flat, was completely unbelievable in his deliveries, and lacked any sense of comradery with his old partner.

Faye, I have a mixed bag with. I have not read the past 6 pages of posts. But can already guess how some of it went. It was definitely a different direction with her. Not the Femme Fatale role at all that I saw in the anime, but I wouldn't say she did a bad job. She did well in all honesty, but kind of wish they went a different route to a certain extent. When I picture Faye, I think of a more agile and flexible fighter. The more I think about it, she didn't have a lot of hand to hand fight scenes in the anime, as she spent most of her time lounging around in her revealing clothing, but the ones that were there, showed she was cat like and agile. I would of preferred an actress of a lighter build with some martial arts experience, which I doubt would be impossible to find. Faye was Chinese after all, they could of dipped into casting someone of Asian descent, as their body build would line up with Faye more. Now before I get some body shaming responses, I want to point out my personal taste dips into many realms, curvy women, slender, voluptuous, etc. But if you are going to try to copy the anime as much as possible as they have in this adaptation, they could of went a bit further in the effort to hire someone that fit the vision of the anime more. Now I would say I like that they didn't go with the standard faye valentine outfit, as it's just pure fanservice, and not needed in a live action version. Overall though, she did a good job for the hand dealt. A bit of a different direction, but I still enjoyed the twist overall. I would say the only downsides would come down to bad writing and directing once again, but at least she was able to mask most of the flaws with her acting, unlike for Jet. If I had to think of fighting capability and build, I would think more Kate Beckinsale like from underworld would of been a nice touch. Not her in the role, but just overall build, and athleticism. But once again, I enjoyed Daniella Pineda's job done in this more than the others.

Spike, this one is a hard one for me. I like John Cho as an actor, he did a good job on the acting aspect despite the shitty writing and directing. But action wise, he is just not fast enough, and considering his age and the fact he got injured on set, makes sense. As much as I enjoyed his non action scenes, they could of went with a younger actor. Don't have much bad to say about him, did his job, but curious how much of the sluggishness was bad directing and editing, versus his capabilities, but if the training mannequin was a real show, then they should of definitely went with someone younger. Would not have minded a riskier choice and picking up a upcoming actor.

Ein,....Woof...

Ed, ok. This one...Sheesh. When I first heard the voice in the last scene of the season, I was pleasantly surprised and thought the voice fit as they shouted Spike's first name. But as soon as it cut to Ed and they shouted "Spike Spiegel" once more, and crazy mode Ed was engaged, I just shook my head as it was very cringeworthy. I don't like using that word often, but this show really portrays it to a large degree with mostly writing, directing, and editing. But in terms of Ed, if you are going to go truly anime adaptation on this, you are biting off way more than you can chew. If you are even going to attempt this, with how outlandish Ed is, at least make sure the actor can pull it off, cause it's a HUGE pill to swallow. It all went downhill after the first "Spike", which was fine, then just trended worse and worse. Definitely not looking forward to Ed if a season 2 gets greenlit.

Rest of the acting was alright for antagonists, with some being worse than others. Major balls in trying to replicate the anime as much as possible, especially Mad Pierrot....Which they semi failed and succeeded. Lots of things they could of done to make it better, but it was passable, with flaws, mostly in the realms of writing/directing/cinemataography.

So for the show overall, enjoyed it for what it was, but definitely issues. This reminds me much of how The Witcher on netflix was handled. Love the games, but god the writing for the adapation, and cinematography was just terrible. I always think of the episode around the dragon, which in terms of composition, rendering, literally reminded me of Hercules the legendary journey's, and xena warrior princess....It was just so bad for such a big budget netflix deal.

The twist at the end was surprising, takes away the sad tone of the anime, and did not expect the Julia situation to resolve as it did. Leaves room for a season 2 if it gets greenlit, as I would not mind watching more, I just hope they can rectify the issues.

But yea, So far both Cowboy Bebop and The Witcher have been a bit of let downs, but bebop not as much imo. Just hope that Season 2 of the Witcher can redeem itself after that disastrous first season, at least in my opinion.
 
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