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Yes, choose the 4070ti. It has better upscaling in far more games (dlss), lower power draw frame gen is taking off in some demanding games which is major and gives roughly double the perf, it has usable raytracing speeds, enough vram, better video encoding (nvenc, higher quality better file sizes), and arguably better drivers for most people. Plus, Nvidia keeps better resale values of you want to upgrade later.
I hear you - and the other reason I'm interested in the 4070 Ti is the superior Compute and video editing performance. However, I have some suggestions for you: I am not an expert and probably haven't researched it as much as you (guys):
Lots of ppl say you need a 4080 or 4090 (ideally) to really use raytracing - for it to be worth buying a card for RT The scenario for me is selling my card (for $700 CAD) and I'd need about $500 to get either of these cards - taxes puts them both around $1200 - they'll be close enough in price to make it an 'either card' buy. Depending on make/model, probably $20-$50 differences so negligible. Also, I have seen sales from time to time - so various makes/models will be 'good deals' on either Nvidia/AMD. I suspect both reduced in price a smidgeon so that they are at similar price points. Thoughts?
Like intel? Sure as shit isn't AMD.
Exactly, the main problem I have with the 4070ti. In 2023, only having 12GB of VRAM for $800 seems crazy to me and severely limits the cards potential. For me it might not be a big deal because I swap hardware fairly often, but most people hang onto hardware for years. I currently run a 4090 so I am very familiar with DLSS, frame generation and other Nvidia benefits, but also have owned a 7900XTX and my son currently has a 7900XT so I am very familiar with AMD's offerings as well. Based on those experiences, at the same price, I would get the 7900XT almost every time over the 4070ti (except in maybe a very specific use case).
The new AMD cards are so power hungry though - and they seem to always have some driver or hardware problem relating to power consumption of some sort - look at the idle power with multiple monitors especially if the monitors have differing refresh rates. Nvidia is evil but it's hard to argue that their cards aren't technically superior. The problem is Nvidia being evil and greedy - they CHOOSE to omit larger VRAM quantity and they don't care about their shoddy software 'centers' - compared to AMD's. But, their architecture is more efficient. Look at this:
Money is a problem for me - I have enough for a used 3090 but I sometimes see some 4070 Ti cards for sale - and only about $100-$200 more. I hate that they're only 12gb and that's probably my main complaint with them. If I want a card for productivity and a bit of gaming - 12gb seems kinda low? Would getting one be a mistake? The Ada cards are way better for power efficiency and they'd have a longer warranty too - being newer etc. - less chance of it being a mining card and so on. AV1 encoding/decoding - that could be useful. Get a 3090, yes the 4070 ti is a BS card.Can I bump this?
I want it for Blender, Davinci Resolve and some gaming - but, the 12gb of vram worries me. The 4080 has 16gb - but, it's so much more $$ - $700 more (used card) and the 4090 - forget it. :-(
The 7900 XT is actually more expensive than the 4070 Ti - but, a used one could be doable. 3090, 4070 Ti and 7900 XT - I think I could afford in a little while. The other two cards have 20 and 24gb of vram, respectively, and thus, would be more versatile. I dunno if I need the vram but if one does - having too little, you are screwed - for the most part. If you have amble vram or extra, well.... obviously, it's better to have more. Damn Nvidia - for the low vram!!! Bastards! That card should at least have 16gb, no?!?
You can get 4080 for $1100 new. If you can get a used 4070 ti for $700 less, that would make it $500. Which is a hell of a deal, that you should take.Can I bump this?
I want it for Blender, Davinci Resolve and some gaming - but, the 12gb of vram worries me. The 4080 has 16gb - but, it's so much more $$ - $700 more (used card) and the 4090 - forget it. :-(
The 7900 XT is actually more expensive than the 4070 Ti - but, a used one could be doable. 3090, 4070 Ti and 7900 XT - I think I could afford in a little while. The other two cards have 20 and 24gb of vram, respectively, and thus, would be more versatile. I dunno if I need the vram but if one does - having too little, you are screwed - for the most part. If you have amble vram or extra, well.... obviously, it's better to have more. Damn Nvidia - for the low vram!!! Bastards! That card should at least have 16gb, no?!?
RTX 4070 Ti beats the RTX 3090...similar price...current generation...better choice. By the time you need 24GB of VRAM your 4070 Ti (or 3090) is too slow, anyway.
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I think the only problem with the non-4090 40 series is the overpricing. If the 4080 debuted at $999 and the 4070Ti at $699, they'd be considered fantastic price/performance deals. I got my 4080 for $1070 (w/tax) brand new, so I'm
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Oh, sorry, this is CAD - $800 CAD = $586 USD. Used 4080s range: $1300 - $1500 ($950 - $1100 USD) - however*, these are almost Zotac Trinity cards. Dunno if those should be avoided but that's what I notice.
Used 3090 - are often overpriced but the lowest price I've found is $700 CAD ($513 USD).
Here are my thoughts on the 4070 and others from another thread:
Nope. Their optical flow is too slow for it per Nvidia at least. The previous gen does support everything else though including the new raytracing stuff in dlss 3.5.
He's working in areas where he needs high amounts of vram, not everything is about gaming.
I understand the recommendations for the 4070 Ti - lower power consumption, more features, new/latest gen, decent performance compared to the 3090 - better in some areas; beaten in others - but pretty close in performance. But, yes, the vram is a factor in content creation, Compute/GPGPU/Video editing - or at least potentially - also, for ML/AI - whether you do it or just in case....
It’s not gimped as much as you’re comparing an old flagship card to a new tier 3-4 card.
Yeah what makes it interesting is the second hand market. I’ve seen some good deals like OP has and at around $600 or so it’s a no brainer.
The used prices for both the 3090 and 4070 Ti - aren't awful. They might not be 'steals' but they're not bad. That's why I can't decide between them - older power hog but lots of vram 24gb - is a big difference compared to 12gb - but, the 4070 Ti has better power efficiency, newer gen, more features - DLSS 3, AV1 - even if one doesn't use these/this - it's 'nice to have.' I have a 850w psu and although both cards can use it - the 3090 I'd want to undervolt whereas the 4070 Ti - I could just leave stock.
AMD has some compelling options with more VRAM up and down the price stack. Worth a shot if you don't need CUDA.
Imho, only the 7900 series - aka RDNA 3 - and these are rare to find used/2nd hand - new, they are about $1100 CAD - so, quite a bit more than a used 4070 Ti - although, they're often the same price. The AMD card is a lot better in Blender, however - well, if you use HIP-RT - although, more benchmarks/testing is needed - they're all good at video editing although in DR, the AMD cards don't offer H265 encoding.
Wow they came down quite a bit since I last looked. 7900XT was like 1400 with tax from Amazon, I got my 4070Ti for 1026 with tax. I am in Manitoba.
Well, I was stating used prices - so, no tax.
The 7900 XT pre-tax is $1100 (CC) and $1200 (for same cards on Amazon). At CC, the cheapest 4070 Ti is about $1k (open box) - brand new ->$1040 +tax on Amazon. I guess the AMD card prices came down.Overpriced is what the rest of the 40-series is, as well as misbranded. Going by prior generational precedence for performance expectations per brand (i.e. "70 card"), the 4070 Ti should be the "4070" while the 4070 should be the "4060 Ti". Take the 4070 Ti for example. It meets or beats last gen's flagship...similar to how the 3070, 2070, 1070, etc. were to their respective prior gens.
While all this may be true. The 4000 series is still far from "shit". But yeah, good point in the sense that NVIDIA has essentially racheted up the milking of the consumer once again.
Why would you stay away from used 3xxx series but willing to go with 6000 series - used or new?
Good point - edited my post. Used 3xxx and used 6xxx has the mining risk. Coming from a miner I know that risk is low. I'd rather not deal with it.
Well, I was worried about getting a mining card - I bought a 3080 a while ago and it was fine - in fact, it's the best gpu I've ever had so far - really quiet and ran cool - good temps (tried gaming). In saying that, yeah, I was lucky once.... I'm still concerned if I decide to get a 3090 or 3090 Ti - but, it'll be easier for me to buy one of those - as it'll be a lot cheaper. However, I do find a few 'cheap' <$1K 4070 Tis so getting one of those is doable - but, I wonder about the much lower vram. For gaming, it wouldn't be too bad - although, there's some gamers saying that more games will be tuned for higher vram or require it - in the future?
3090 Ti would be the safest bet of all as it was super expensive and released at the end of the mining boom.
