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I misunderstood where it says:
I have 2 of them, I had to relocate them out of my office and into the storage space above my office because they were too noisy.
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Sadly the new Intel w680 stuff is going to be the closest stuff there to a new prosumer HEDT.
yeah. Their pricing falls squarely into the Pro-Business space.
X399 checking in, I'm disappointed for the TRX40 owners but past experience told me to set expectations low.
Assuming Asrock continues making decent server boards, I may go with whatever their AM5 board ends up being (to upgrade my x399 eventually). Depends on the formfactor they ultimately come out with, I'd prefer a full ATX board - I think their AM4 boards are all mATX like the X570D4U-2L2T... the other problem is that all these workstation/server HEDT-style AM4 boards are hard to find and being scalped currently too.
Same I doubt I will go with amd in my next high end build over the way they handle trx40
He leaves very little to disagree with there that’s for sure.
Well conjecture here, seeing the large number of motherboard designs, for a rather smaller niche market , I think the motherboard makers thought so too. If I were to bet now, I say AMD will if Zen 3/3+ is being made (of course they are since X3D and server Zen 3's) and the market is saturated which is looking to be the case. From my observation, AMD likes to stream along news, bit by bit to keep everyone talking about them, even when they have crap products at time and it has worked well over the decades. My question will be if Zen 3 TR does become available (non pro) will I bother with it? Will the current users want the 20% or so improvement? I can see a number of 24/32 core users who benefitted from the increase cores and could use more would be prime candidates for Zen 3 TR moving up to the next tier + the better IPC of Zen 3.
Nice! I could not justify that for myself but one can dream.
His comments, and Anthony's, weren't an edict. Are there people that can use the additonal cores and PCIE lanes of a non pro TR? Sure, but how large of a market do those commenters realistically make up, I doubt enough to make sense to AMD. We see this often in online spaces where a small but vocal group clamor for something, but the reality is they make up a tiny percentage of the overall market.
A tiny but profitable market and as you indicated, very much vocal about it. Who knows what AMD will do in the short run. Being king in gaming performance, albeit virtually meaningless for the gaming experience has marketing value. Being first in HEDT (not Pro Desktop) is another marketing value thing plus some of your most intelligent users, accomplished, dedicated folks (good bunch to have in your court). How really big is the 5800 X3D for the gaming community -> probably a small blip. Linus came up with reasons why AMD will not (all conjecture) and I did pretty much the same for why they might. Will AMD advance TRX40 with Zen 3, no idea.
I use the cores (Have 12c/64G dedicated to a single VM most of the time), but definitely want the PCIE lanes - makes it FAR more useful as it moves on to secondary uses in the long run. I've posted it before, but my X99 box has a GPU, 2 SAS controllers, and a 2x 10G nic installed in it. With a consumer box of the same generation, I could forego the GPU and have the same stuff in there - but it would be more limited in terms of going through the chipset, and I wouldn't have any expansion left in the future (while the x99 still has some left, and the Zen2 TR / x299 boxes I have definitely have expansion left, even with a GPU installed!).
Problem is it’s not profitable, in a market where everything you make is sold you are legally obligated to prioritize the highest profit items. AMD already has wait list months long for the TR Pro’s because they are selling as fast and Lenovo can receive them. Until Lenovo has a surplus of the Pro Threadripper’s AMD doesn't have the fab time to create a non pro one.
Why would it not be profitable if the same number of cores cost the same price? Serving two different markets? Plus Zen 3 chips are getting much more abundant now or available. Now I would hope AMD sell the non pro versions at a lower price but these would probably not be the best of the best either. If AMD is making more Zen 3 chips than sold (looks like current situation) it would be prudent to sell much higher priced Zen 3 TR chips, then the cut down lower priced 5600x or 5600 chips. If AMD is obligated to prioritize the highest profit items, then TR Zen 3 non pro would be in front of the Zen 3 desktop versions. A higher to much higher priced 12 core and 16 core Zen 3 TR could be sold over the desktop versions, maybe even a higher X3D version -> higher profit margins for AMD.
Same number of cores half the price, the TR pro’s are like 2x the price of the non pro’s.
More likely to see something like a workstation board for Zen4 that just gives a lot of PCIe 3 and 4 lanes from the chipset, with PCIE5 from the CPU to the Chipset.
If they do launch one it will be after the new Pro’s are out and they have a small stockpile of controllers that didn’t pass they can cut those back and sell them as the non Pro variant.
Probably won’t have enough cores for me then; or the RAM support. X570 isn’t super fond of 128G; Threadripper doesn’t really care. And I can take TR to 256 if I want.
My zenith II has gotten flaky. I’m partially hoping for new boards :-/
I definitely preferred the release cadence back around the i7 920 days. The prosumer / HEDT part comes first, then the high to mid desktop stuff, then the low end. I’m not sure when it changed, but I have 0 interest buying HEDT 3-6 months before the new generation high end consumer comes out and outperforms the last gen HEDT.
Not sure if AMD cannot spare the silicon since the consumer/desktop versions use the same dies and they are building up inventory as well as price drops to get them moving. TR will give AMD more profit per die over consumer CPUs. If AMD is to prioritize profits, TR would have Zen 3 before making sub $200 Zen 3 CPUs. If the market is that low to begin with then the numbers would not be that significant.
I’m lucky, I don’t need any home HEDT stuff any more, the work stuff stays at work and the home stuff stays home.
Regardless of profit margins, AMD shorted Sony 6m units in 2021 because they didn’t have the silicon, they shorted Microsoft just shy 1m units because again no silicon, and Lenovo has a back order list going back 4 months on their TR Pro systems because AMD hasn’t been able to keep up on deliveries. The Lenovo delays worked out in my favour though, Boss gave approval on a pair of the new M1-Ultras instead, they will do just as nicely and I won’t need earmuffs around them because my 3975x’s are F’ing loud. Those bastards live on a new floor and only get accessed remotely now because f-that. My 7502p systems don’t even make that much noise and their 1U rack mounts.