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True, but your original statement that started this debate was a blanket, massively over generalized one and made no mention of any specific use cases.
This is exactly how my statement ended, "5k series will be capping the next gen. By how much is TBD, but it will be capped. The numbers don't lie." The 'by how much is TBD' is the key to that statement. But the fact is that 7k can drive a 3090 Ti harder than a 5k can. I don't see how that is over the top and outrageous.
 
MC is throwing a free DDR5 kit with the Ryzen 7/9 purchase..
 
MC is throwing a free DDR5 kit with the Ryzen 7/9 purchase..
Yeah it was posted a page or two back.

They’re also letting you reserve the CPUs now - was in-store only, before. Sales must be slow.
 
This is exactly how my statement ended, "5k series will be capping the next gen. By how much is TBD, but it will be capped. The numbers don't lie." The 'by how much is TBD' is the key to that statement. But the fact is that 7k can drive a 3090 Ti harder than a 5k can. I don't see how that is over the top and outrageous.
You also said 3090Ti is already being limited and made no mention of what games, what resolutions and what settings. It is outrageous when your post suggests buying a 3090Ti with CPUs available today is going to limit it, when the reality is, for most of us, we will be GPU limited. It was an unqualified and over generalized statement that would be flat out wrong in most commonly used configurations and real world performance metrics.
 
This is exactly how my statement ended, "5k series will be capping the next gen. By how much is TBD, but it will be capped. The numbers don't lie." The 'by how much is TBD' is the key to that statement. But the fact is that 7k can drive a 3090 Ti harder than a 5k can. I don't see how that is over the top and outrageous.
Your statement implies “in general” rather than “for specific use cases”.
 
What's your guys thoughts on 7950X vs 13900K for gaming? I'm on a OC'd 5900X so I'm not sure it would be worth it to go with either of those. I may wait for the 3D Vcache version of Zen4 or maybe the 13900KS next year depending on how gaming washes out. I have a Neo G8 240 Hz monitor so CPU performance is quite important... like in BF2042 non-GPU limited with my 5900X it will even drop down to as low as 120 FPS.
 
What's your guys thoughts on 7950X vs 13900K for gaming? I'm on a OC'd 5900X so I'm not sure it would be worth it to go with either of those. I may wait for the 3D Vcache version of Zen4 or maybe the 13900KS next year depending on how gaming washes out. I have a Neo G8 240 Hz monitor so CPU performance is quite important... like in BF2042 non-GPU limited with my 5900X it will even drop down to as low as 120 FPS.
"as low as 120 FPS"... oh you poor thing. j/k

BF2042 is one of the most GPU/CPU demanding titles of the moment. My 5800x3D does great with this game, so I would guess your 5900X is not far behind (possibly even ahead). If you're getting the upgrade itch, wait for the 13900k before making your decision.

Also, if gaming is your primary focus, I would recommend waiting until next year when AMD is supposed to release their 3D v-cache models of the Ryzen 7000 chips. Those are probably going to be the ultimate gaming CPUs for the year.
 
I would think the 13900k(s) would probably be the short term champ with BF2042, but hard to say what the X3D version of AM5 is going to look like yet.
 
Like many, waiting on X3D versions before making any jump to AM5. My PC, when it gets used, is 95% games nowadays.
 
Having just got my 5900x a few months ago (thanks to whomever here linked it for $328), I can honestly say I'm proud I went that route instead of waiting for AM5.

Super happy with my CPU, and I expect it to last quite some time.

Just hoping a 4080 or 4090 won't make my CPU bottleneck
Will see but for the 4090 it could be possible on very modern title relatively easy GPU wise, it could be misleading and not the case but




DLSS 2.0 giving almost no boost (i.e.rendering significantly lower than 4K giving not much FPS versus native 4K) with a 12900K could be a sign that a much more powerful CPU would give a bit more. 4k being so taxing that when the CPU is not a issue you see twice-triple the performance.

It is a game that react a lot to the CPU:
https://www.techspot.com/article/2520-spiderman-cpu-benchmark/

Even at 4k medium with TAA on on a 3090ti the 5800x3d gained 22% over the 11900k on the minimum 1% fps and 12.5% on the average. 30% over a 5600x for the 1% low.

With a 4090 those could be much higher and still significant at ultra instead of medium (because 4k very high on a 3090TI it calm down to more normal a 11600K being good enough to not loose a drastic amount of performance on the 1%).

If you ask the CPU to feed the gpu raytracing task (really not sure what get involved):
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The gap between a 12900K dddr5 and a 5600x can become giant, 44% more average fps, not sure how much of an indication but it seem on the technical side extremelly well done by Insomiac so maybe a lot of other game will not be has good to use cpus, but maybe it is a preview of game fully made without the PS4 in mind will look like.
 
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"as low as 120 FPS"... oh you poor thing. j/k

BF2042 is one of the most GPU/CPU demanding titles of the moment. My 5800x3D does great with this game, so I would guess your 5900X is not far behind (possibly even ahead). If you're getting the upgrade itch, wait for the 13900k before making your decision.

Also, if gaming is your primary focus, I would recommend waiting until next year when AMD is supposed to release their 3D v-cache models of the Ryzen 7000 chips. Those are probably going to be the ultimate gaming CPUs for the year.

Ya that would make the most logical sense. Plus if I went with Zen 4 3DV-Cache and AM5, I'd still have a relevant system for Zen 5 upgrade. With Intel I'd have to get a whole new system.
 
What's your guys thoughts on 7950X vs 13900K for gaming? I'm on a OC'd 5900X so I'm not sure it would be worth it to go with either of those. I may wait for the 3D Vcache version of Zen4 or maybe the 13900KS next year depending on how gaming washes out. I have a Neo G8 240 Hz monitor so CPU performance is quite important... like in BF2042 non-GPU limited with my 5900X it will even drop down to as low as 120 FPS.
The 7950x and 7900x have scheduling issues (latency spikes). Either wait for x3d with one CCD, go 7700x or 13900k for gaming.
 
The 7950x and 7900x have scheduling issues (latency spikes). Either wait for x3d with one CCD, go 7700x or 13900k for gaming.
Any more details on this? I didn’t find much with a google search…
 
The 7950x and 7900x have scheduling issues (latency spikes). Either wait for x3d with one CCD, go 7700x or 13900k for gaming.

Well lets be honest, Alder Lake and likely Raptor Lake also have some potential scheduling issues that depend heavily on what kind of I/O you have, what OS you're running, microcode updates and more. The whole "P vs E core" thing and how apparently (at least for Windows users, not sure about Linux yet) if you're running anything older than the newest build of Win 11 you're dealing with compromised scheduling. For AMD I expect that, just like the 5000 series before it, the 7000 series will receive a handful of updates to improve its overall scheduling/latency issues when they arise. The key thing to watch is how both companies handle this and how much of it is reliant on platform/OS based software vs microcode/firmware and what is proprietary vs FOSS etc.

Ya that would make the most logical sense. Plus if I went with Zen 4 3DV-Cache and AM5, I'd still have a relevant system for Zen 5 upgrade. With Intel I'd have to get a whole new system.
This could be a good idea, I think many of us would prefer Zen4's 3DCache version and its a bit frustrating that, knowing Intel is likely to have a competitor with Raptor, we don't know if they're going to be able to get them out later this year and/or if it will be until next year. If it IS 2023, then another question will be if it will be accompanied by mid-cycle motherboard upgrades or not. I can hope that AMD will be able to get fabrication of the top end 7950X3D under control and bring it to us in November or December, but it is frustrating for those who want/need to build something soon if X3D isn't available before long.
 
Any more details on this? I didn’t find much with a google search…
Look at the 1% and 0.1% lows in gamers nexus' review, reviews with frame time analysis etc. The 7700x had much better minimum frame rates vs the 7900x and 7950x which means there is currently an issue in games with the 2 CCDs on the 7000 series.
 
Look at the 1% and 0.1% lows in gamers nexus' review, reviews with frame time analysis etc. The 7700x had much better minimum frame rates vs the 7900x and 7950x which means there is currently an issue in games with the 2 CCDs on the 7000 series.
That was with Fry Cry which has scheduling issues past 8 cores. Engine issue. Not latency issue.
 
That was with Fry Cry which has scheduling issues past 8 cores. Engine issue. Not latency issue.
Same issue in CS:GO, Final Fantasy 14 and more where the 0.1% lows are worse on the 2 CCD CPUs. E.g. the 0.1% lows were about 20% lower in CS:GO on the 7950x than the 7700x which indicates there are issues with 2CCDs. They were about even on the 5000 series between 5800x, 5900x and 5950x.
 
Just waiting on my ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 A-RGB and 4TB SN850X. Got the free DDR5 5600 deal and everything below from MicroCenter (already have an AX1600i and getting a 4090 on 10/12).

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Hell yes, Let me know how the BIOS is. That is the board i want, but told myself I would never get Asus again haha.

Is there an option to turn disable onboard graphics?
 
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Trying out all core overclock.Got to 5700Mhz but will be testing this for a few days.

CinebenchR23 AMD Ryzen 7700X 5550Mhz All Core Overclock
Max Temperature 79°C
Multi 21591
 
Trying out all core overclock.Got to 5700Mhz but will be testing this for a few days.

CinebenchR23 AMD Ryzen 7700X 5550Mhz All Core Overclock
Max Temperature 79°C
Multi 21591

Impressive for a static oc. I need to see how these do with curve optimizer vs a static oc.
 
Was looking at pricing and Amazon has the 7950X for $743 and a bundle with a mobo for $699 more, but what gets me is the recommended ram and cooler on the bottom,

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Was looking at pricing and Amazon has the 7950X for $743 and a bundle with a mobo for $699 more, but what gets me is the recommended ram and cooler on the bottom,

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Honestly really disappointed in amazon this time around. They are the only ones I have seen that decided to mark up the MSRP to 799.99 and sell for 743.99 pretending like it's on sale. This time around supply aint even an issue. IDK why amazon thinks they can get away with it lmao.
 
Honestly really disappointed in amazon this time around. They are the only ones I have seen that decided to mark up the MSRP to 799.99 and sell for 743.99 pretending like it's on sale. This time around supply aint even an issue. IDK why amazon thinks they can get away with it lmao.
Oh, ya. B&H has it for $699. For some reason I thought the MSRP was $799.
 
Honestly really disappointed in amazon this time around. They are the only ones I have seen that decided to mark up the MSRP to 799.99 and sell for 743.99 pretending like it's on sale. This time around supply aint even an issue. IDK why amazon thinks they can get away with it lmao.
they had marked up the msrp on me on the 7950X and i ended up paying Amazon $791.79 , then Newegg yesterday had it on sale and i got it for $640.93 . bought it and saved 150.86. Shipped the amazon one back to them with a middle finger . . .





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Look at the 1% and 0.1% lows in gamers nexus' review, reviews with frame time analysis etc. The 7700x had much better minimum frame rates vs the 7900x and 7950x which means there is currently an issue in games with the 2 CCDs on the 7000 series.
from what I have been reading. It was caused by the newest Windows 11 update. Can't remember but it was one of the KB's causing the issue.
 
That extremely fast sale-rebate, will see if some Nvidia card will not have something similar (via combo deal maybe to hide it) first weeks.
 
That extremely fast sale-rebate, will see if some Nvidia card will not have something similar (via combo deal maybe to hide it) first weeks.
its not because of the product, it's just most people did they're builds in mining and covid, and dare i say we are feeling a slight recession and company's trying to see if they can still scalp they're own products with high prices . . . this will happen to raptor and nvidia unless they create fake demand to keep prices high
 
its not because of the product, it's just most people did they're builds in mining and covid, and dare i say we are feeling a slight recession and company's trying to see if they can still scalp they're own products with high prices . . . this will happen to raptor and nvidia unless they create fake demand to keep prices high
Don't forget, AMD markets their CPUs as gaming CPUs a lot. Because of this, the 5800x3D is direct competition with them, and when you factor in the price of new motherboard/RAM, the 5800x3D is the bargain of the century... if you're a gamer.

AMD's Ryzen 7000 CPUs are effectively competing with their AM4 platform. That's not a good position to be in.
 
Don't forget, AMD markets their CPUs as gaming CPUs a lot. Because of this, the 5800x3D is direct competition with them, and when you factor in the price of new motherboard/RAM, the 5800x3D is the bargain of the century... if you're a gamer.

AMD's Ryzen 7000 CPUs are effectively competing with their AM4 platform. That's not a good position to be in.
Agreed , but even with x670e giving so much features 4 nvme and stuff like that people aren't ready to spend that money now. 2022 will be if it ain't broken don't fix it year 💯 . Wait to 4090 comes out , with all these 3080 on the market jesus , I can see Nvidia taking a hit in the gut for the first time in a decade 😅
 
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Don't forget, AMD markets their CPUs as gaming CPUs a lot. Because of this, the 5800x3D is direct competition with them, and when you factor in the price of new motherboard/RAM, the 5800x3D is the bargain of the century... if you're a gamer.

AMD's Ryzen 7000 CPUs are effectively competing with their AM4 platform. That's not a good position to be in.
funny. It's the same position Nvidia and Intel are in too with their new releases.

All 3 of them are kind of going to have a rough time if you ask me.
 
they had marked up the msrp on me on the 7950X and i ended up paying Amazon $791.79 , then Newegg yesterday had it on sale and i got it for $640.93 . bought it and saved 150.86. Shipped the amazon one back to them with a middle finger . . .





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got mine for 629.99 + 5% cashback from best buy. Capital one shopping has coupons and lot of them work for 10% off stacked if you use bestbuy credit card it seems. So I have been using that quite a bit. Its hit and miss but surprised how often one of those coupons works with bestbuy credit card option.
 
Don't forget, AMD markets their CPUs as gaming CPUs a lot. Because of this, the 5800x3D is direct competition with them, and when you factor in the price of new motherboard/RAM, the 5800x3D is the bargain of the century... if you're a gamer.

AMD's Ryzen 7000 CPUs are effectively competing with their AM4 platform. That's not a good position to be in.

That would be true if they didn't have another x3d model coming. They are setting themselves as a premium product to sell. Regular cheaper and x3d equivalent models with more premium. So don't think they are doing anything that will hurt them in the long run the way they are positioning them. Eventually we might see a situation where x3d chips are mainstream, i guess. But that won't be for a while.
 
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