I already have that - 5950X.you can always get a 5800x, then you'll have the best, solving all problems
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I already have that - 5950X.you can always get a 5800x, then you'll have the best, solving all problems
Indeed you do. Gotta love that beast!I already have that - 5950X.
I reeeeeally just don't understand the pricing of the 11900K. I thought it was already a bad joke at $540, but then it turns out that was for 1000 unit pricing. Then I saw the launch day micro center price at $610 or something like that and was like...what?I preordered the 11900K - it was going to be $738 for next day shipping. Bad price, but I'd been waiting and I missed the other preorders.
After it became obvious that the reviews were so bad AND I wasn't going to get my order by the 31st, I just got disgusted and ordered a 10900K
I was OK with it not being the best, I was OK with paying a small premium to get it fast, but for that kind of money, I'm not going to sit around and wait after A*OR**A told me they would have one for me on release day.
I save almost $300 and got a 10900K the next day.
What a debacle this has been on every level.
I think the 11900K has some higher level all core clocking.I reeeeeally just don't understand the pricing of the 11900K. I thought it was already a bad joke at $540, but then it turns out that was for 1000 unit pricing. Then I saw the launch day micro center price at $610 or something like that and was like...what?
Now I check MC today and the price is at $700 LOL.
Oh, but you save $20 on a mobo so there's that.
I get not being price sensitive...to an extent. But it's nearly twice the cost of an 11700K. For not really all that much performance.I think the 11900K has some higher level all core clocking.
And some people are just not very price sensitive.
I was mostly just annoyed at not getting it day one after I preordered.
Glue. Now we know why it's so slow.My how the tables turned! Wasn't Intel the first to experiment with glueing chips together?
You're still looking at it through the lense of value, not performance.I get not being price sensitive...to an extent. But it's nearly twice the cost of an 11700K. For not really all that much performance.
Where did you preorder? I’m still waiting for Best Buy to ship my 3/17 preorder. Tough to cancel and move on when it was $549.99 - 40 in reward certs. Micro Center has it nearby but now at $700. F that!I think the 11900K has some higher level all core clocking.
And some people are just not very price sensitive.
I was mostly just annoyed at not getting it day one after I preordered.
If someone wanted the end all be all of performance, they wouldn't be looking at the 11900k. Unless they specifically needed an Intel-only feature.You're still looking at it through the lense of value, not performance.
I wanted it mainly for the IPC and (I thought at the time) fast memory - some games, like Guild Wars 2 are heavily CPU bound and this would be, in theory, the best CPU for that game and likely others.If someone wanted the end all be all of performance, they wouldn't be looking at the 11900k. Unless they specifically needed an Intel-only feature.
Where did you preorder? I’m still waiting for Best Buy to ship my 3/17 preorder. Tough to cancel and move on when it was $549.99 - 40 in reward certs. Micro Center has it nearby but now at $700. F that!
if you were prepared to drop 740 on a 11900k you could have easily gotten a 5950X or 5900XI preordered the 11900K - it was going to be $738 for next day shipping. Bad price, but I'd been waiting and I missed the other preorders.
After it became obvious that the reviews were so bad AND I wasn't going to get my order by the 31st, I just got disgusted and ordered a 10900K
I was OK with it not being the best, I was OK with paying a small premium to get it fast, but for that kind of money, I'm not going to sit around and wait after A*OR**A told me they would have one for me on release day.
I save almost $300 and got a 10900K the next day.
What a debacle this has been on every level.
That's a freaking good price thereCan't beat that............and easily does 5.1GHz on air. Got mine at 5.2GHz.
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1. I a friend of mine went through hell trying to find a 5900Xif you were prepared to drop 740 on a 11900k you could have easily gotten a 5950X or 5900X
Number 3 on the list is already fixed.
I might have a bias, but in this case it's not totally bias. I read Intel CPUs are very slightly faster on a desktop although that's less pronounced with the latest modern CPUs. Also, I read Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics cards are apparently more compatible with Linux (in case I want dual-boot with Linux Mint).And ignores the Z590 issues... And the fact that if you don't need the cores, the 5800x is a lot cheaper than the 11900k.
People aren't buying this platform because they care about raw performance (or even bang for the buck on the high end). They are buying it because they like Intel better or are more familiar, etc. and the performance is close enough.
$740 for that CPU though? Yikes... You could buy a 5800x AND a motherboard for that kind of money.
Prior to Ryzen 5000..not any more. I was on Intel from i7 920 (after moving from a Phenom 965) until the 9900k so up to that point I never felt that AMD offered what I needed. Today is a different story.I might have a bias, but in this case it's not totally bias. I read Intel CPUs are very slightly faster on a desktop although that's less pronounced with the latest modern CPUs. \
1080p level cards are stupidly priced atm. Apus (especially from AMD) are reaching the point where they can handle entry level gaming pretty good. This will become more and more relevant.I find everyone on the onboard video thing kinda funny these days. And even more so on this site, on board video has never been a deciding factor for anything for me in 20+ years of pc's.
Now everyone is I need to have a IGP on my cpu lmao.
1080p level cards are stupidly priced atm. Apus (especially from AMD) are reaching the point where they can handle entry lever gaming pretty good. This will become more and more relevant.
I might have a bias, but in this case it's not totally bias. I read Intel CPUs are very slightly faster on a desktop although that's less pronounced with the latest modern CPUs. Also, I read Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics cards are apparently more compatible with Linux (in case I want dual-boot with Linux Mint).
In my case however I thought about using a Rocket Lake for a gaming machine then using as a film/tv computer after 2 years. So then I'd take out the video card and install it in another machine. So I decided to go with the i5-11500 partly for the onboard video. It does go to 5K resolution although boards I've seen only support 4K.
In any case, even though this is a thread on the 11900, as far as 11500 vs Ryzen 3600 is concerned, there's no contest. The 11500 hammers it in gaming and has onboard video. I even saw a Youtube video that showed temperatures and wattage used and the 11500 during games and in my opinion it was seriously good in that department. I mean it was miles away from that Anandtech test on the i7 with AVX-512. To me at this point, there's no bias.
I'm just waiting for the motherboard I want to be in stock before I order.
I think one of the only issues I can think of is the whole issue of can you really run 3200MHz RAM at 3200MHz. I mean I saw the memory support list from AsRock and Gigabyte and it's seriously a mixed bag. And right now I don't know the answer. (I did however decide on a B560 motherboard although the H510 apparently can support 3200MHz. I want the ability to use a PCIe4 video card later on even if it means having the RAM run at 2933MHz. I want everything stock with no overclocking.)
11400/11500 plus something like a B560 Tuf and some 4000+ memory would be a great gaming system for not a lot of money.I've said that the 11500 is probably a good CPU because of where it is price wise and it's relative competition. The 11900k...not so much.
DDR 4000 memory pricing means you would do better to get a better CPU and some DDR 3600 or 3200, instead. Even some of the better 3600 is creeping up in price pretty quickly. All memory is going up, really.11400/11500 plus something like a B560 Tuf and some 4000+ memory would be a great gaming system for not a lot of money.
you can get 4133 2x8GB RGB DJR sticks for 120 dollars, doesn't seem too much to me but I'd rather have the performance than some garbage tier 3200 or 3600 ram.DDR 4000 memory pricing means you would do better to get a better CPU and some DDR 3600 or 3200, instead. Even some of the better 3600 is creeping up in price pretty quickly. All memory is going up, really.
Or stick with the 11400, get the cheaper memory, and put the money saved toward something else. Like buying an overpriced GPU....
you can get 4133 2x8GB RGB DJR sticks for 120 dollars, doesn't seem too much to me but I'd rather have the performance than some garbage tier 3200 or 3600 ram.
why not want free performance? From OC people are doing already these love high speeds. I mean if you can get some nice chips from cheaper ram then hell yeah but they are a crapshoot.Why though? I got garbage tier 3600 and paid $110 for 32 GB. Its CJR and tightens to Cas16.
Actually, Intel announced they resolved their problems at 7nm. So, Meteor Lake is coming out in 2023. I guess with DDR5 and PCIe5 this should be a real solution.Well... Intel will release the 2025 Camry and it'll be a contender again...
I agree with you - at least coming from Z390 - the free performance is not "free" - it isn't as simple as fire up XMP and go. The memory controllers (even on 9900KS and a Z390 Aorus Master - widely considered one of the best Z390 boards) can't handle speeds like that so you have to make a lot of concessions. Plus, FPS only goes up a few frames.why not want free performance? From OC people are doing already these love high speeds. I mean if you can get some nice chips from cheaper ram then hell yeah but they are a crapshoot.
I'm curious how many have got the $550 best buy chip, seeing as how that's a fair bit under msrp.I agree with you - at least coming from Z390 - the free performance is not "free" - it isn't as simple as fire up XMP and go. The memory controllers (even on 9900KS and a Z390 Aorus Master - widely considered one of the best Z390 boards) can't handle speeds like that so you have to make a lot of concessions. Plus, FPS only goes up a few frames.
I've found the 3200 - 3600 range to be the sweet spot unless it's not much more expensive. I'd rather have more density than the huge speed in exotic, super expensive RAM.
Back to the topic at hand - the 11 series is supposed to have a great memory controller so I am hopeful what you're preaching becomes a lot easier to achieve for everyone.
EDIT: my Best Buy 3/17 pre-order still has not shipped out! $549.99 - $40 in reward certs price keeps me locked in, though.
I would think no one. I was watching their site until they did their first pre-order drop on 3/17 and that's when I ordered. The believe the price per 1,000 is $540 so BBY is definitely not making much profit. It's still currently at that price although listed as sold out. So I don't think it's a "price mistake" issue.I'm curious how many have got the $550 best buy chip, seeing as how that's a fair bit under msrp.
which 10th gen CPU do you have?Well, this sucks.
The Strix Z590-i has two m.2 slots, but since one of them is pcie4, its disabled if you use a 10th gen cpu.
Of course its the slot where I put my boot drive...
which 10th gen CPU do you have?
Ah. Well, the only upgrade path from 10900k is The next gen CPU and platform. So....you may as well stick with a z490.10900k
I cant stick with something I've never owned.Ah. Well, the only upgrade path from 10900k is The next gen CPU and platform. So....you may as well stick with a z490.
Do you need the 10 cores?I cant stick with something I've never owned.
It's not a big deal, my boot drive was 250GB nvme and I have a 2TB nvme as well.
I ordered a usb c m.2 case so I can backup the 2tb then clone my 250 drive to the 2tb and get back to it. I have 6TB in ssds and just got my nas up. I really only play one game so this is more of an inconvenience than a show stopper.
Besides, the z590 has an intel usb 3.2 controller instead of asmedia so its worth the tradeoff...