42" OLED MASTER THREAD

Also you guys know what the default native resolution is in Windows for 21 by 9 and 32x9 aspect ratio? What should I set the resolution to match the ultrawide setting on the c2?

I think in your nVidia Control Panel set the resolution to 3840 x 1600, which would give you the Ultrawide view.
 
I thought it was 2560x1080 for 21:9 or 3440x1440 and 3840x1600...anyone know? This is for a 48inch C2.
 
Yeah I don't know how to work it out that's why I'm asking here. What is the native resolution does anyone know?
 
Yeah I don't know how to work it out that's why I'm asking here. What is the native resolution does anyone know?
Your TV is UHD, use Google for basic info :)
UHD = 3840x2160

The ratio you want is 21:9
Thats 21 across, 9 down, or 21/9:1 = 2.3 rec :1

You can find the vertical res either
= 3840/21*9
or
= 3840/2.3 recurring

=1645.7
Choose a number near that, doesnt need to be exact.

If you want a lower res because performance is too low, do the calculation again using the new horizontal res you want to start with.
Whether the game can use it is a different matter.
 
The 38" Ultrawide resolution of 3840 x 1600 is supposed to work very well on the LG C2.

And to change it, need to go into your graphics card settings in Windows, and manually set the resolution.
 
so the LG 42" is half the price of Asus. And the Asus is, in essence, an LG panel w/ some Asus modification such as a heatsink. Knowing that, how does Asus justify that price? Surely they have to drop price fast
 
They justify it by marketing it as a monitor with Displayport + significantly brighter than the C2 thanks to the "heatsink" which at this point I think is just a thin sheet of material on the backside of the panel. The brightness thing sure but its HDR is horrifically inaccurate and you wouldn't be able to tell its 100nit 10% window advantage apart without having both a C2 and PG42UQ side by side. As for the inclusion of displayport, the KTC 42" OLED is also now available with similar specs to the Asus for $1199 with an actual working 138hz OC that hasn't been broken for 4 months:

https://a.co/d/fBmKAKy

At this point there really is 0 reason to pay a premium for the Asus version especially with the C3 around the corner that is rumored to turn on/off with your PC like the 42" LG OLED Flex does.
 
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Anyone have the LG 42" C2 they can take a rear shot of an adult sitting at a desk with this TV on it being used as a monitor? Like from 5pm or 7pm direction if behind someone? Want to try to get an idea of its size.

Edit, nevermind, I see a video above I missed. A bit too big, ultrawide is better imho.
 
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I don't think any of the OLEDs on the market support 138 Hz except over Displayport 1.4 on the ASUS PG42/48UQ.

HDMI 2.1 would be limited to 4K 120 Hz. For that you could use any DP 1.4 + DSC supporting GPU, basically RTX 20 series and up. You then need a DP to HDMI 2.1 adapter which will give you 4K 120 Hz 10-bit 4:4:4 with HDR but no VRR support. Since you're not gaming it's not going to be relevant. For an actual HDMI 2.1 port you need a RTX 30 series, Intel Arc or AMD 6000 series GPU.
I am re-reading what you wrote. Say I go w/ RTX 3050, which is using PCI E 4.0 interface. Would there be any of its feature be compromise or unable to function or slow if I were to install it in a PCI E 3.0 motherboard? because a no. of yr. ago, there is another thread here somewhere that we talk about the bandwidth of these video card, in that thread, the conclusion is, the card never use all that bandwidth
 
I am re-reading what you wrote. Say I go w/ RTX 3050, which is using PCI E 4.0 interface. Would there be any of its feature be compromise or unable to function or slow if I were to install it in a PCI E 3.0 motherboard? because a no. of yr. ago, there is another thread here somewhere that we talk about the bandwidth of these video card, in that thread, the conclusion is, the card never use all that bandwidth
PCIe 3 vs 4 is not even much of an issue on the fastest GPUs out there. On a 3050 you aren't going to ever run into the bandwidth limits of PCIe 3.
 
PCIe 3 vs 4 is not even much of an issue on the fastest GPUs out there. On a 3050 you aren't going to ever run into the bandwidth limits of PCIe 3.
that's fantastic, that's what they said in the other thread.

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For most people in this thread, how many are still using PCI e 3 motherboard, and are you guys happy
 
that's fantastic, that's what they said in the other thread.

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For most people in this thread, how many are still using PCI e 3 motherboard, and are you guys happy
I am using Z390, that's PCIe 3.0, with RTX 3060. It seem fine, has nothing to do with display performance if that's what you are asking. Maybe a few percent frames less in my research, but no way to confirm.
 
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I am using Z390, that's PCIe 3.0, with RTX 3060. It seem fine, has nothing to do with display performance if that's what you are asking. Maybe a few percent frames less in my research, but no way to confirm.
very useful information. I really appreciate this. Does it work well w/ your new OLED, if so, you got the LG or the Asus?
 
Thoughts?


Honestly does not necessary sound like he knows what he's doing. Seems to like the feature set better and that's totally fine but I really doubt the Sony would be massively better than the LG overall considering it's the same panel, just with different processing. Atm in my country the Sony is like 500 euros more expensive than the C2 and that doesn't sound like a good tradeoff.
 
I think I'm gonna be returning the C2 42". I think the lower refresh rate for fps games is whats bothering me combined with its size amplifies the issue because its only 24hz lower than my current monitor. For sim racing its pretty nice. Any media content that isn't in 4k doesn't look great. I spent $700 on this and I feel like I'm getting a different experience, not a better one. Plus I'll have to shell out close to $1k for a new video card to get the same frames I'm getting now with a 3070 and 2560x1440. I'd really like sharper text too. I was thinking colors would pop more but its just the blacks that I notice being better than my TN.
 
I think I'm gonna be returning the C2 42". I think the lower refresh rate for fps games is whats bothering me combined with its size amplifies the issue because its only 24hz lower than my current monitor. For sim racing its pretty nice. Any media content that isn't in 4k doesn't look great. I spent $700 on this and I feel like I'm getting a different experience, not a better one. Plus I'll have to shell out close to $1k for a new video card to get the same frames I'm getting now with a 3070 and 2560x1440. I'd really like sharper text too. I was thinking colors would pop more but its just the blacks that I notice being better than my TN.
just to be clear, are you running it at 3840x2160
 
I think I'm gonna be returning the C2 42". I think the lower refresh rate for fps games is whats bothering me combined with its size amplifies the issue because its only 24hz lower than my current monitor. For sim racing its pretty nice. Any media content that isn't in 4k doesn't look great. I spent $700 on this and I feel like I'm getting a different experience, not a better one. Plus I'll have to shell out close to $1k for a new video card to get the same frames I'm getting now with a 3070 and 2560x1440. I'd really like sharper text too. I was thinking colors would pop more but its just the blacks that I notice being better than my TN.
Play at 1440p then, the scaling is exellent. 120hz should be fine compared to 144hz.
 
You can also play in an uw 21:10 rez at 3840x1600 to get a little less demand on your gpu and a little more in game real-estate. running an uw rez on one would also be good for racing/driving/flight games in particular.

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but your "not sharp" text could be caused by non native resolution

For text, it's usually people using it at an improper distance where they are getting low PPD and poor viewing angles. Trying to put a square peg (large tv gaming screen) into a round hole (mounting it on a desk instead of farther on a floor mount, wall mount, etc.)



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From my reply to the https://hardforum.com/threads/lg-48gq900-oled-monitor-text-clarity.2024756/ thread



I'm seeing mixed reports of bad fringing and others stating clarity is good for text applications.

Most people are sitting way too close. Both their pixel structure becomes too large to their perspective and their viewing angle becomes compromised.

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There are two ways imo to get clear text.

- The optimal way is to sit far enough away to get 60PPD, or better yet higher (especially with WRGB subpixel structure on OLEDs). Sitting at near distances with the screen on your desk will result in a 1500p like pixel density to your eyes which will make text and graphics look fringed even with text-ss and game AA applied aggressively. It will also push the sides of the screen outside of your 50 deg to 60deg human viewpoint and exacerbate off-axis and color uniformity issues on the sides of the screen.

- If you have to sit that close, where you are ~ 1500p like pixel density, you can sacrifice desktop real estate down from 4k 1:1 pixel by using windows scaling to scale everything up some. That will mean more pixels per character of text so will help but you will lose space from 1:1 px 4k.

- desktop scaling doesn't do anything vs. aliasing of game graphics though. Once you drop below 60PPD, even aggressive AA won't be able to compensate enough vs pixelization. Still usable but not the full picture quality it would get otherwise. (more like a 1500p screen's density at near desk distances rather than the fine pixels you'd expect from using a 4k screen).

- also worth noting that 2D desktop graphics and imagery typically remains completely uncompensated for vs pixelization (no AA, no sub-sampling other than edges of fonts)



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cleartype does a "fairly good job" on text in general, especially on low rez displays but it's not perfect. It's masking how blocky the effective PPD is using a type of anti-aliasing, smudging the edges. From the quote below: "but can make the edges look more blurry" (even on RGB displays). Regarding any displays with BGR instead of RGB, "BGR can behave strangely even though windows has built-in support for it"

The RTings link about text rendering has some good info on it:

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/picture-quality/text-clarity

Generally speaking, ClearType does a fairly good job at sharpening text, particularly on lower resolution displays, but it can also make the edges of a letter look more blurry, somewhat like an anti-aliasing effect, a process that softens jagged edges in games. ClearType can make text look blocky and jagged on some VA panels, and
displays with a BGR sub-pixel layout can also behave strangely, even though Windows has built-in support for this type of display.
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(emphasis mine in the quote below) "issues become less apparent the higher the monitor's pixel density is". The higher the effective PPD, pixels per degree, the perceived pixel density at any given distance. Cleartype and graphics Anti-aliasing are hacks to mask how blocky/pixelated the screen really is at your PPD/ppi vs. view distance. And typically, the 2D desktop's graphics and imagery's pixelization remains uncompensated for entirely.
The majority of monitors on the market have an RGB sub-pixel layout, but some use a BGR layout, like the Philips Momentum 436M6VBPAB, where the red and blue sub-pixels are reversed. This type of layout isn't bad in and of itself, as it isn't noticeable when displaying an image, but it can affect text rendering, especially in programs that expect an RGB sub-pixel layout like Google Chrome. Text can sometimes look thin and jagged, and some diagonal lines are nearly invisible. However, this issue is less apparent the higher the monitor's pixel density is. Below, you can see pictures of text on a BGR panel, the Gigabyte M27Q, with ClearType configured for a BGR sub-pixel layout, ClearType configured for an RGB sub-pixel layout, without ClearType, and in Google Sheets. The latter is included because Google Chrome uses its own implementation of text sharpening.
 
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I had both the qn90b and now have the 48inch C2. Text was/is sharp as hell on both displays. Maybe you got a dud...twice.
 
He probably just crammed it onto a desk so the pixels looked more like ~1500p (or worse) and at that low PPD the text looked fringed - especially at low PPD on WRGB sub-pixel structure. Just guessing as that is a very common scenario with larger screens. His TN is probably a smaller screen so capable of getting higher PPD at nearer desk distances.

You don't get 64 to 77 PPD until
. . 32 inch to 39 inch view distance screen surface to eyeballs on a 42" 4k.
. . 36 inch to 45 inch view distance screen surface to eyeballs on a 48" 4k
 
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at CES 2023, this guy is saying a lot more OLED is coming

He says "maybe there's more coming" but really, only thing to expect are more variants from various manufacturers for the LG 27" 1440p and 45" 3440x1440 models or Samsung's 34/49" QD-OLED panels. Plus maybe some versions of the 42" format using the C3 panel but I wouldn't expect anything actually interesting this year.

It's a disappointing year for the 42" form factor when the C3 does absolutely nothing to improve upon it. I was really, really hoping for a fixed curve or manual curve (ala Corsair Xeneon), cheaper option for the LG Flex but nothing like that was announced and similarly refresh rates are stuck at 120 Hz (or 138 Hz overclock).
 
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It's more like "the year of the OLED - for people that aren't already gaming on one".

Still a good thing overall imo to increase oled adoption.
 
so for most brand name to have at least 1 or more model available at 42" or higher, are we talking about later this year or 2024?
 
so for most brand name to have at least 1 or more model available at 42" or higher, are we talking about later this year or 2024?
Whether other brands will do versions with the C3 42" panel is unknown, but since the C3 basically brings nothing new, at that point your ASUS PG42UQ and similar will be cheaper.

If you want a 42" OLED just buy one of the existing options. I don't think we will see anything truly better this year. The LG C2 42" TVs are going for bargain prices so I'd just grab one of those.
 
My ASUS ROG Swift PG27UQ died. (bad luck) I was pretty happy with this for all content.

I'm looking into these as I look at both the monitor and TV sides of the fence. LG C2 vs Sony A90K with a possible Samsung wildcard in the mix. I've been lurking in several of these threads and I appreciate the insights and input.

Long/short I get the idea that Sony is supposedly better for video processing and HDR while LG (and possibly Samsung) are more gamer-friendly (PC especially.)

I am not sure when the 2023 versions of any of these sets are due out and I am going to be putting my eyes on some of these in the near future.

I have seen feedback and some reviews saying that people using the Sony were able to set the HDMI to VRR 120hz and the Nvidia card read it as Gsync enabled. So this is the kind of back and forth I'm doing as I dig into this side of the fence.
 
My ASUS ROG Swift PG27UQ died. (bad luck) I was pretty happy with this for all content.

I'm looking into these as I look at both the monitor and TV sides of the fence. LG C2 vs Sony A90K with a possible Samsung wildcard in the mix. I've been lurking in several of these threads and I appreciate the insights and input.

Long/short I get the idea that Sony is supposedly better for video processing and HDR while LG (and possibly Samsung) are more gamer-friendly (PC especially.)

I am not sure when the 2023 versions of any of these sets are due out and I am going to be putting my eyes on some of these in the near future.

I have seen feedback and some reviews saying that people using the Sony were able to set the HDMI to VRR 120hz and the Nvidia card read it as Gsync enabled. So this is the kind of back and forth I'm doing as I dig into this side of the fence.

Re: Sony video processing

Added cost admittedly but I bought a 2019 shield for my living room C1. The shield has nvidia AI upscaling which looks very good to me. It's also way faster than the smart TV operating systems in my experience and it has a lot of apps available from google play store or sideloading things where the tv operating systems are very limited and locked down pretty much. It also supports dolby vision, and has a lot of other features. The only thing it doesn't have is the chip youtube requires for HDR. I hardly ever watch HDR material on youtube so far other than some gameplay vids of something I am interested in and even then I can just launch youtube from the LG WebOS menu if I really need that. I've found that is hardly ever. Most of regular youtube viewing is SDR.

Samsung has had some vocal complaints about quality so if you go that route I'd make sure you have a good warranty or costco, etc. Samsung also doesn't support dolby vision movies, shows (and a small number of DV games) which is annoying if going to use one for those, especially from streaming services that do DV titles or if you had a library of DV media already. QD-OLED seems good though.

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Some other things to consider. Not deal breakers necessarily but there are some tradeoffs:

Rtings and Vinvent/HDTVTest rate screens for general media playback and not just gaming so you have to do a little data diving sometimes.


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This is from the Rtings C2 *Monitor* review. They take some points for "ergonomics" , mostly the stand . . and many of us vesa mount our screens so that point is kind of moot. Brightness, for HDR, is an upgrade. . . but their focus on SDR brightness is kind of dumb imo b/c they are pushing the thin SDR range up in relative fashion, dialing the whole thing up (unlike HDR that keeps a full more static range, highlights/lightsources being brighter) - and then at those up to 470nit SDR levels it's triggering ABL. Where if it stayed at 190 - 200nit SDR it wouldn't ping-pong with ABL. But RTings always seems to promote that kind of lifted SDR and give points to it.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/42-c2-oled
Sony 42 A90K OLED

The Sony 42 A90K OLED is a bit better than the LG 42 C2 OLED overall, but the LG is better for gaming. The Sony has a slightly more adjustable stand and gets a bit brighter, so it looks better in a moderately lit room. The LG, on the other hand, has a wider range of gaming features, including FreeSync support, and all four of its HDMI ports support 4k @ 120Hz gaming.

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Sony A95K OLED vs LG C2 OLED Side-by-Side Comparison

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/com...lg-c2-oled/31217/31229?usage=1&threshold=0.10


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https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled

The Samsung S95B OLED and the LG C2 OLED deliver a somewhat similar experience, but they each stand out in different ways. Colors are significantly brighter on the Samsung, and it can display a wider color gamut with HDR content. Skin tones look better on the Samsung, but some colors look a bit unnatural at times. On the other hand, the LG has better black levels in rooms with a bit of natural light, whereas the Samsung is really best enjoyed in a completely dark room. The LG supports Dolby Vision, and it delivers a slightly more accurate HDR experience.

With any display, deep blacks are mainly noticeable if you're in a dark room, but it's even more important with this TV. Since it lacks a polarizing filter, blacks appear raised and the TV has a slight pink tint to it if there's even a bit of light in your room. To enjoy this TV to the fullest, you really need to be in a perfectly dark room.

Kind of a catch-22 there. The SDR brightness (and even HDR brightness) is lauded for bright room use but then they say unless you view it in a completely dark room the blacks will be raised and you'll get a pink tint.

The Samsung S95B uses a unique subpixel structure. Instead of having all three subpixels in a row, each pixel forms a triangle, with the larger green subpixel at the top. This isn't really noticeable with most video content, but it's an issue if you're using the TV as a PC monitor. Text has just okay clarity from a PC, as Windows ClearType settings aren't designed for this subpixel structure, and can't correct for it. You can see a few examples below:

At the human 50 to 60 degree viewing angle you'd get 64 to 77 PPD so I doubt the pixel structure would be a problem at higher PPD, just like WRGB. Sitting too close exacerbates fringing issues in general because the pixels and subpixels look large to your perspective like a 1500p screen would. I haven't seen one but I'd think the higher PPD end of that viewing angle would look fine, and the closer you sat the worse it would look.
 
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I got rid of mactype program for fonts on the C2 and ran win 11 built in clear type tuner. I got much sharper fonts now. YMMV.
 
My ASUS ROG Swift PG27UQ died. (bad luck) I was pretty happy with this for all content.

I'm looking into these as I look at both the monitor and TV sides of the fence. LG C2 vs Sony A90K with a possible Samsung wildcard in the mix. I've been lurking in several of these threads and I appreciate the insights and input.

Long/short I get the idea that Sony is supposedly better for video processing and HDR while LG (and possibly Samsung) are more gamer-friendly (PC especially.)

I am not sure when the 2023 versions of any of these sets are due out and I am going to be putting my eyes on some of these in the near future.

I have seen feedback and some reviews saying that people using the Sony were able to set the HDMI to VRR 120hz and the Nvidia card read it as Gsync enabled. So this is the kind of back and forth I'm doing as I dig into this side of the fence.
how many yr. is your Asus? is there a UPS connects to it? And did you run it at the standard vertical frequency ?
 
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