RTX 3xxx performance speculation

And all these pathetic youtube shills and hardware websites just giving Nvidia a pass. What journalists with any integrity would accept this bullcrap? NDAs that don't expire until after the cards are available to purchase? It's so obvious that the FE cards are worse than the AIB cards. They wouldn't be afraid of reviews if they weren't.

Early benchmarks have already confirmed Nvidia was flat out lying about performance. 100% faster than the 2080ti my ass.
No one ever said 100% faster than 2080Ti. I would suggest rewatching the reveal.
 
Our definition of fun are wildy different I guess
Luckily games benches has taken over and there arefew sites thay post useless 3Dmark numbers...at least the good reviews 🤷‍♂️
That was [H]ard OCP. The whole point of the site. RIP my sweet.
 
And all these pathetic youtube shills and hardware websites just giving Nvidia a pass. What journalists with any integrity would accept this bullcrap? NDAs that don't expire until after the cards are available to purchase? It's so obvious that the FE cards are worse than the AIB cards. They wouldn't be afraid of reviews if they weren't.

Early benchmarks have already confirmed Nvidia was flat out lying about performance. 100% faster than the 2080ti my ass.
Do what are you talking about?

You may want to get better sourcing because literally everything in this post is bunk.

"NDA's that do expire till after the cards are available to purchase" -
Not true.
The founders edition NDA got postponed to the 16th, the founders edition cards will go to sell on the 17th.

AiB card reviews go up on the 17th, the day that a person can buy the founder edition cards.

The AiB partner card NDA is not coming after you can buy those cards. The founders edition is supposed to be the first cards that can be bought on the 17th, the NDA will not be after the cards are out for purchase.

"Obvious FE cards will be worse than AiB partners" - no, that is not obvious. Not at all. As a matter of fact, there are people spreading the exact opposite rumors, yet they are condemning Nvidia and complaining about it, all the same.

lastly, the 3080 is not supposed to be 2x the 2080ti. That's, once again, something you have totally misconstrued.

The entire post is bunk.

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You got to be just trying to make stink.
 
Riddle me this: Why do people buy tiny ass cases if they plan to also buy big ass GPUs?
Over the last week i have seen dozens of people asking about whether certain cards will fit inside their shoe-box cases.

Are some pc gamers just obsessed with cramming as much power into the smallest space possible? why do that? my $60 define s could fit two 3090's end-to-end in it... wtf are you people buying?

To be clear I'm not talking about SFF. I mean ATX builds.
 
Do we know if there is a specific time AIB reviews drop? Is it before the 7AM EST launch time?
 
Riddle me this: Why do people buy tiny ass cases if they plan to also buy big ass GPUs?
Over the last week i have seen dozens of people asking about whether certain cards will fit inside their shoe-box cases.

Are some pc gamers just obsessed with cramming as much power into the smallest space possible? why do that? my $60 define s could fit two 3090's end-to-end in it... wtf are you people buying?

To be clear I'm not talking about SFF. I mean ATX builds.

I bought the cheapest case possible for my basement rigs that no one sees. I was surprised, but shouldn’t have been, how short they were. My sawsall fixed that though. ;) So could have been by mistake.

I think it is funny when someone complains about their mediocre PSU not being enough for the $1500 3090 that has 10k+ CUDA cores and 28B transistors.... sorry if a $50 PSU can’t power a $3,500+ rig? Lol

I want to buy the 3080 or 3090 day 1. I wish I knew the power limits and reviews were all the same time.
 
Riddle me this: Why do people buy tiny ass cases if they plan to also buy big ass GPUs?
Over the last week i have seen dozens of people asking about whether certain cards will fit inside their shoe-box cases.

Are some pc gamers just obsessed with cramming as much power into the smallest space possible? why do that? my $60 define s could fit two 3090's end-to-end in it... wtf are you people buying?

To be clear I'm not talking about SFF. I mean ATX builds.

I've always bought full tower cases...I love all the space inside...the trend towards smaller and smaller cases always baffled me...for my new build it took me forever to find a decent sized case in a style I liked...that's another thing- most cases nowadays are all about the bling and lighting...the days of traditional brushed aluminum sleek looking cases are gone (I loved Lian Li back in the day)
 
To be clear I'm not talking about SFF. I mean ATX builds.

If it's ATX and it's that small, likely they were aiming for cheapo, not small.

All the ATX cases I have been interested in could house a 3090 FE, and I am actually only looking at smaller "mid-tower" ATX cases.

Even the mATX cases I have been looking at (CM NR400 and S400) could house a 3090 FE.

You are really off into the weeds if an ATX case can't hold these cards.
 
are all 3080 AIB cards going to be available on the 17th?...I'm interested in Gigabyte models...I think there are going to be more in stock then people think
 
I think it is funny when someone complains about their mediocre PSU not being enough for the $1500 3090 that has 10k+ CUDA cores and 28B transistors.... sorry if a $50 PSU can’t power a $3,500+ rig? Lol

Probably because they can brag about the 3090 but nobody GAF about their awesome expensive PSU (or their 3090 for that matter).

Surely the same people buying 30$ ATX case with much worse compatibility than my ITX csse which does fit a 3090 (FE or up to 3.25 slots of there are any).
 
We’re living in the age of discontent. People aren’t happy unless they’re unhappy. So much so that they invent things to be angry about.

Oh buddy. That is the understatement of the century (as in, the past 20 years :D). Everybody is angry about everything. It's why I post less here, and I'm virtually done with social media. "It's going to perform better!" "No, it's not!" "You should wait to see what RDNA2 does!" "Waiting is stupid!" "No, you're stupid!"

:confused:

Perhaps I'm getting old, but I don't understand the world anymore. Who cares if X wants to pay $500 over MSRP just to get the newest card despite lack of supply? Who cares if Y thinks that's the stupidest thing? Why can't just everyone buy what they want/can at a price they find acceptable and enjoy the experience? I'll admit even I get sucked into these debates sometimes, and later on think, why am I even still talking? It's the current cultural environment, it's quite unhealthy (somebody now please complain about how it's not and I'm wrong ;)).

I'm looking forward to the 3080/3090 reviews, mostly for architectural details. It seems to me the 3070 might be a bit expensive for what it is - and the 3080 a bit cheap for what it is. Either way, I'm never spending more than $299 on a GPU, so I'm eagerly awaiting that 3060. Judging by the 70/80/90 performance tiers, I'd expect the 3060 to perform about similar to a 2070, which isn't half bad for the money, but I'm afraid they'll sell it at least for $349, possibly $399 - and 2070 performance, 2 years later, with a new architecture AND a node shrink, for only $100 less would not be an attractive option. I've come to expect the worst from Nvidia in terms of pricing at this point. If RDNA2 gives me similar performance at $300 and with way more VRAM (say 8 or 10GB instead of the expected 6 for the x60 tier), I might just jump ship for the 2nd time - I'm tired of not being able to load ultra detailed textures because I keep running out of video memory, and this might be even more important than before, with DXR now needing a bunch of memory too.
 
Riddle me this: Why do people buy tiny ass cases if they plan to also buy big ass GPUs?
Over the last week i have seen dozens of people asking about whether certain cards will fit inside their shoe-box cases.

Are some pc gamers just obsessed with cramming as much power into the smallest space possible? why do that? my $60 define s could fit two 3090's end-to-end in it... wtf are you people buying?

To be clear I'm not talking about SFF. I mean ATX builds.

I got bored of doing massive UFO water cooled rigs and did a mini itx phlantek case for my 2080ti build...it was fun cramming all that power into a nice compact space. But the tiny two slot gpu space & 650 PSU aint gonna cut it for the 3000 series....but already have replacement N400 micro atx + 1000w PSU ready to go.
 
I got bored of doing massive UFO water cooled rigs and did a mini itx phlantek case for my 2080ti build...it was fun cramming all that power into a nice compact space. But the tiny two slot gpu space & 650 PSU aint gonna cut it for the 3000 series....but already have replacement N400 micro atx + 1000w PSU ready to go.

I had a Radeon x295 in a Silverstone Sugo 09. Tiny beast of a machine. Since it was water cooled and the temps were surprisingly good. I've also has blower cards in ITX cases, that exhaust heat directly out of the case, that had very respectable temps. If heat is dispersed properly from a small case, you can keep components surprisingly cool in small cases.
 
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I had a Radeon x295 in a Silverstone Sugo 09. Tiny beast of a machine. Since it was water cooled and the temps were surprisingly good. I've also has blower cards in ITX cases, that exhaust heat directly out of the case, that had very respectable temps. If heat is dispersed properly from a small case, you can keep components surprisingly cool in small cases.
It's all about balancing the cooling and the noise under load. That's where I see ITX falling apart without significant compromises like fewer cores and lower clockspeeds all around. And then there's cost if you do decide to try and find a good balance.
 
I bought the cheapest case possible for my basement rigs that no one sees. I was surprised, but shouldn’t have been, how short they were. My sawsall fixed that though. ;) So could have been by mistake.

I think it is funny when someone complains about their mediocre PSU not being enough for the $1500 3090 that has 10k+ CUDA cores and 28B transistors.... sorry if a $50 PSU can’t power a $3,500+ rig? Lol

I want to buy the 3080 or 3090 day 1. I wish I knew the power limits and reviews were all the same time.
True but do not judge PSU performance with price my 1KW EVGA G2 cost $90 on sale.
 
Do what are you talking about?

You may want to get better sourcing because literally everything in this post is bunk.

"NDA's that do expire till after the cards are available to purchase" -
Not true.
The founders edition NDA got postponed to the 16th, the founders edition cards will go to sell on the 17th.

AiB card reviews go up on the 17th, the day that a person can buy the founder edition cards.

The AiB partner card NDA is not coming after you can buy those cards. The founders edition is supposed to be the first cards that can be bought on the 17th, the NDA will not be after the cards are out for purchase.

"Obvious FE cards will be worse than AiB partners" - no, that is not obvious. Not at all. As a matter of fact, there are people spreading the exact opposite rumors, yet they are condemning Nvidia and complaining about it, all the same.

lastly, the 3080 is not supposed to be 2x the 2080ti. That's, once again, something you have totally misconstrued.

The entire post is bunk.

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You got to be just trying to make stink.

The AIB reviews go up on the same day that they're available for purchase. If you take the time to read a review, they'll already be out of stock.

They blocked AIB reviews so you won't know how much better they are than the FE so you can't make an informed decision about a FE purchase.

They effectively blocked reviews so people wouldn't have enough time to make an informed decision about their purchase before making it. You're the one posting bunk.
 
The AIB reviews go up on the same day that they're available for purchase. If you take the time to read a review, they'll already be out of stock.

They effectively blocked reviews so people wouldn't have enough time to make an informed decision about their purchase before making it. You're the one posting bunk.

I asked above, but I'm not sure anyone knows... do AIB reviews unlock at midnight, or at the same time/after cards launch (6AM PST)? If reviews can publish at midnight, then at least technically you could read some reviews in the morning before orders go live.

That said... I don't think it makes a lick of difference anyways. The FE reviews will tell people what they need to know, they are going to tell us how the GPU performs so we can decide if we want to upgrade. From there, which AIB is best means jack shit to anyone trying to buy a card on the 17th. If you plan to be picky about which SKU you're buying, rest assured, you'll have plenty of time to read reviews, because you'll be waiting for months to catch one in stock. Anyone getting a card the 17th is going to do so by frantically F5ing and buying the first one they can manage to get into a shopping cart... at which point any reviews you may or may not have read means naught.
 
The AIB reviews go up on the same day that they're available for purchase. If you take the time to read a review, they'll already be out of stock.

They blocked AIB reviews so you won't know how much better they are than the FE so you can't make an informed decision about a FE purchase.

They effectively blocked reviews so people wouldn't have enough time to make an informed decision about their purchase before making it. You're the one posting bunk.
Nonsense, you can take as long as you like between a review and deciding to make a purchase. Nobody is forcing a day 0, second 0 purchase.

Worst case, you wait a bit, read some reviews, and possibly see what the competition does. Eeek!
 
Because I cant make an informed decision I wont be buying until I can, and it looks worthwhile.
Well done NVidia, way to bugger up your launch. It looks sketchy as hell.
 
Nonsense, you can take as long as you like between a review and deciding to make a purchase. Nobody is forcing a day 0, second 0 purchase.

Worst case, you wait a bit, read some reviews, and possibly see what the competition does. Eeek!

Yeah right. Wait around and not get one, then the miners come in and swoop up all the inventory and artificially inflate prices, and then you have no hope of getting one close to MSRP. Stop fucking pretending that they're not intentionally trying to deprive people of information before making a purchase when they obviously are.
 
Yeah right. Wait around and not get one, then the miners come in and swoop up all the inventory and artificially inflate prices, and then you have no hope of getting one close to MSRP. Stop fucking pretending that they're not intentionally trying to deprive people of information before making a purchase when they obviously are.
So you're simultaneously implying that they aren't that good, and lamenting you can't get one right away.

Edit: Sorry, tone sounds combative. I'm trying to reconcile these two things. If a buyer has any concern, they'd be well advised to just wait.
 
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Yeah right. Wait around and not get one, then the miners come in and swoop up all the inventory and artificially inflate prices, and then you have no hope of getting one close to MSRP. Stop fucking pretending that they're not intentionally trying to deprive people of information before making a purchase when they obviously are.

nVidia and Bestbuy always have them at MSRP. I bought my 2080ti during the shortage with just a little patience.

It also takes a few minutes to read a review? The launch and nda are a day apart...
 
nVidia and Bestbuy always have them at MSRP. I bought my 2080ti during the shortage with just a little patience.

It also takes a few minutes to read a review? The launch and nda are a day apart...

The launch and the NDA aren't a day apart for the AIB cards.
 
So you're simultaneously implying that they aren't that good, and lamenting you can't get one right away.

Edit: Sorry, tone sounds combative. I'm trying to reconcile these two things. If a buyer has any concern, they'd be well advised to just wait.

I'm just saying that they're intentionally scheduling these things so early adopters are going in ill informed.
 
I'm just saying that they're intentionally scheduling these things so early adopters are going in ill informed.
I think people can connect dots pretty well from FE information honestly. Failing that, early adopters always assume risk. Ask me about my Star Citizen backing sometime. ;)
 
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not even looking at the high end cards, what could they possibly have done to a 3070 to make it worth 40% more than FE?
Nothing, this is planned. Have everyone buy in that the FE cards are great $/perf for initial release with limited to no stock, then keep prices high. Nobody is going to go back to the original reviews and update pricing, so it makes them look better while still overcharging and people being happy ton get their hands on it for the inflated prices.
 
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Has anyone else noticed that 3090 has more ROPS than 3080? 🤔

It has more of everything, which is what you would expect on a higher tier.

IIRC ROPs tend to be heavily influenced by the memory interface. When it increases ROPs increase.

3090 has 64 bits more in it's memory bus.
 
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Personally I'm going to wait until the 3070 reviews are out, Don't give a flying fuck about 1st wave ownership creds.
 
That power adapter thing is...bizarre. Why didn't they just put the power connectors on the top of the actual PCB like everyone else? Seems like just more potential points of failure. Unlikely to fail, I would imagine, but still.

I said the same exact thing. Goes against keep it stupid simple.
 
I'm just saying that they're intentionally scheduling these things so early adopters are going in ill informed.

Why does it matter though? You already made your intentions clear, you want a card, and you want it day one. You're going to get FE reviews before the cards go on sale, giving you the opportunity to see real world performance data from trusted outlets. This allows you to make an informed purchasing decision on if a 3080 is right for you. Beyond that, I said this before, and I'll say it again... anyone who plans on being choosy and chasing a specific AIB on Thursday is in for a bad time. All the reviews in the world won't change the fact that you're going to have to settle for the first card that you can get into a shopping cart. If you're after a very specific card, you're either going to have to be very lucky or very patient. So what does an AIB review change, if, even after reading every AIB review under the sun, you probably cannot get the card you've decided is right for you? How would your Thursday morning play out any differently if you had read a few reviews first?
 
That power adapter thing is...bizarre. Why didn't they just put the power connectors on the top of the actual PCB like everyone else? Seems like just more potential points of failure. Unlikely to fail, I would imagine, but still.

Seems less prone to failure to me. If any unintentional stress gets put on the power connector, it's getting put on a plastic adapter instead of a connector soldered to the PCB.

As someone who's fixed a lot of laptop power connectors, the ones hard soldered to the motherboard are a lot more prone to breaking, and a lot more of a pain in the ass to replace, versus the ones on a cable. I understand we're talking different use cases, one is plugged and unplugged a lot and exposed to a lot of abuse, the other in generally plugged in and left alone... but the logic carries none the less that Gigabytes solution is probably less prone to failure, and a lot easier to repair if that connector does somehow fail.
 
Ya I'm pretty much going to try for the FE, after that I will probably click on the first card I see in stock near the MSRP. All the AIB cards seem to follow the same triple fan design with various OC amounts so I can't imagine there will be a huge difference other than warranty and customer service.

If some cards do have QC issues I doubt it will get caught in the first wave of reviews anyway.
 
Riddle me this: Why do people buy tiny ass cases if they plan to also buy big ass GPUs?
Over the last week i have seen dozens of people asking about whether certain cards will fit inside their shoe-box cases.

Are some pc gamers just obsessed with cramming as much power into the smallest space possible? why do that? my $60 define s could fit two 3090's end-to-end in it... wtf are you people buying?

To be clear I'm not talking about SFF. I mean ATX builds.
I‘m using a Fractal Design Meshify C and it ended up being a little smaller than I thought it would be. That being said, it still has a decent amount of space and my MSI Ventus 2080Ti fits comfortably in it and a 3080 would fit fine. The 3090 should also fit but only with a few millimeters to spare. Makes me miss my HAF X, lol!
 
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